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Jason
2004-12-02, 10:46
If you have a dedicated PC for the server chores then I would definitely
recommend you load up the PC with Linux, as the server software has been
nearly rock solid on Linux in my experience.

Just need to install the latest Fedora Core (or whatever Distro you feel
comfortable with) you can download the ISO images and burn them to CD on
your Windows PC.

Once you have the OS installed it's just a matter of installing a few
packages and doing some minimal configuration if you want to be able to
connect to the box over your network (for file sharing, etc, from your
Windows PCs).

One word of advice would be, if you are not familiar with networking and you
are not concerned about security (you are behind a firewall/router already,
etc) would be to NOT turn on the built in firewall by default when loading
the Linux OS as it is fairly restrictive and will cause some probs with the
server software, Samba (file sharing) working, etc.

-J

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hartley
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:08 AM
To: Slim Devices Discussion
Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression and
ConnectingSBtoan AV receiver

Jason,
I agree about WMA....I'm not a big Microsoft fan. Blame it on being young
and naive when I started putting music on my PC LOL. At least I had since
enough to turn the protect content flag OFF when I copied everything. But
from a quality standpoint, their lossless is actually good. I saw a CODEC
Shootout (I think at Extremetech of ARS Technica) and the reviewer (and
frankly me as well) was surprised to find that it really was lossless, bit
for bit. As for the receiver, yes it is midrange but the DSP is identical
to Yamahas most expensive, and the DAC's are identical to all but their two
most expensive and have a good rep. And besides, Analog is SOOOO
yesterday..... ;-) Actually, I can hook up both the analog and digital
out's simultaneously on this receiver and flip back and forth, so I'll be
able to really test whether I can hear a difference or not. As for the
server, I've got a spare PC (1.2 GHx with 512 MB RAM) that I plan to throw
on the network as a dedicated music server. Do you think this will fit the
bill? Thanks for the input. I apprecite it!
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason" <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net>
To: "'Slim Devices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression and Connecting
SBtoan AV receiver


> Rip to FLAC, WMA is for chumps. ;) If you really need lossy
> compression (as I do) then go to a higher quality MP3 format (Lame APX) or
Ogg Vorbis.
>
> As for audio quality, you have a mid level receiver and you might
> notice a very slight improvement in the sound when you use either of
> the Squeezebox digital outputs but it certainly won't be a night or
> day difference. If really high quality sound is your goal then
> consider upgrading your
speakers
> first (if they aren't up to snuff) and then maybe get a punchier
> amplifier.... Last thing on your shopping list should be an outboard
> DAC
if
> you really want to take it that far.
>
> Be aware that if you don't have a solid wireless network and a GOOD
> server then streaming FLAC can be an excersize in frustration as you
> can have dropouts via either the wireless network or your server
> getting
bottlenecked
> with other tasks and not giving the Slim Server software enough priority.
>
> -J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Hartley
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 6:26 PM
> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression and Connecting
> SB toan AV receiver
>
> I'm seriously thinking of purchasing a Squeezebox to connect to a
> Yamaha HTR-5790 Surround receiver. I want to connect via Digital
> Co-ax or
Optical,
> and am interested in getting the best sound fidelity possible possible.
> Although I can connect via coax, it will be very difficult
> logistically to do so, so I really need to utilize a wireless
> connection back to my music server so I plan to use an 802.11b
> wireless router. Currently, I have my music collection in WMA, highest
quality format, with no file protection.
>
> Originally, my plan was to stream the existing files to the SB via
wireless
> and have it output via either the co-ax or optical digital connector
> to my receiver and let the receivers DAC's handle the DA conversion.
> However, I have seen some posts that indicate that this is probably
> not the best way
to
> accomplish my goal because the Slimserver application actually
> converts
the
> WMA file to an MP3 stream which then has to be converted to an SPDIF
> compatible output at the device. Is this correct? If not can someone
> briefly explain what the device does in this scenario? Is this
arrangement
> ever going to result in good music results or always be one of
> compromise due to multiple conversions of the file?
>
> Given that it's really important to me to have the output from the SB
> in a format that my receiver can handle on it's own (I know some
> people claim they cannot hear a difference between the SB's DAC and
> analog output, but
I
> think the DAC's in my receiver should give higher fidelity and using
> them will avoid reprossessing) I am willing to re-rip all of my CD's
> to another format and even move to a dedicated server(I have a spare
unused PC).
> Storage space isn't unlimited, but I am willing to add disk space.
> It's relatively cheap. But before I go to that trouble, I wanted to
> "go to the source" and ask for some opinions/recommendations here.
> Any input is welcome and greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>

Mike Hartley
2004-12-02, 11:24
Jason,
Good thought. I have not messed with Linux yet, but have always wanted to
give it a try. This might be a good opportunity. And the system will be
behind a hardware fire-wall, so no need to enable the built in.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason" <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net>
To: "'Slim Devices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression
andConnectingSBtoan AV receiver


> If you have a dedicated PC for the server chores then I would definitely
> recommend you load up the PC with Linux, as the server software has been
> nearly rock solid on Linux in my experience.
>
> Just need to install the latest Fedora Core (or whatever Distro you feel
> comfortable with) you can download the ISO images and burn them to CD on
> your Windows PC.
>
> Once you have the OS installed it's just a matter of installing a few
> packages and doing some minimal configuration if you want to be able to
> connect to the box over your network (for file sharing, etc, from your
> Windows PCs).
>
> One word of advice would be, if you are not familiar with networking and
you
> are not concerned about security (you are behind a firewall/router
already,
> etc) would be to NOT turn on the built in firewall by default when loading
> the Linux OS as it is fairly restrictive and will cause some probs with
the
> server software, Samba (file sharing) working, etc.
>
> -J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hartley
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:08 AM
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression and
> ConnectingSBtoan AV receiver
>
> Jason,
> I agree about WMA....I'm not a big Microsoft fan. Blame it on being young
> and naive when I started putting music on my PC LOL. At least I had since
> enough to turn the protect content flag OFF when I copied everything. But
> from a quality standpoint, their lossless is actually good. I saw a CODEC
> Shootout (I think at Extremetech of ARS Technica) and the reviewer (and
> frankly me as well) was surprised to find that it really was lossless, bit
> for bit. As for the receiver, yes it is midrange but the DSP is identical
> to Yamahas most expensive, and the DAC's are identical to all but their
two
> most expensive and have a good rep. And besides, Analog is SOOOO
> yesterday..... ;-) Actually, I can hook up both the analog and digital
> out's simultaneously on this receiver and flip back and forth, so I'll be
> able to really test whether I can hear a difference or not. As for the
> server, I've got a spare PC (1.2 GHx with 512 MB RAM) that I plan to throw
> on the network as a dedicated music server. Do you think this will fit
the
> bill? Thanks for the input. I apprecite it!
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason" <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net>
> To: "'Slim Devices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:18 AM
> Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression and Connecting
> SBtoan AV receiver
>
>
> > Rip to FLAC, WMA is for chumps. ;) If you really need lossy
> > compression (as I do) then go to a higher quality MP3 format (Lame APX)
or
> Ogg Vorbis.
> >
> > As for audio quality, you have a mid level receiver and you might
> > notice a very slight improvement in the sound when you use either of
> > the Squeezebox digital outputs but it certainly won't be a night or
> > day difference. If really high quality sound is your goal then
> > consider upgrading your
> speakers
> > first (if they aren't up to snuff) and then maybe get a punchier
> > amplifier.... Last thing on your shopping list should be an outboard
> > DAC
> if
> > you really want to take it that far.
> >
> > Be aware that if you don't have a solid wireless network and a GOOD
> > server then streaming FLAC can be an excersize in frustration as you
> > can have dropouts via either the wireless network or your server
> > getting
> bottlenecked
> > with other tasks and not giving the Slim Server software enough
priority.
> >
> > -J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> > [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> > Hartley
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 6:26 PM
> > To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> > Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression and Connecting
> > SB toan AV receiver
> >
> > I'm seriously thinking of purchasing a Squeezebox to connect to a
> > Yamaha HTR-5790 Surround receiver. I want to connect via Digital
> > Co-ax or
> Optical,
> > and am interested in getting the best sound fidelity possible possible.
> > Although I can connect via coax, it will be very difficult
> > logistically to do so, so I really need to utilize a wireless
> > connection back to my music server so I plan to use an 802.11b
> > wireless router. Currently, I have my music collection in WMA, highest
> quality format, with no file protection.
> >
> > Originally, my plan was to stream the existing files to the SB via
> wireless
> > and have it output via either the co-ax or optical digital connector
> > to my receiver and let the receivers DAC's handle the DA conversion.
> > However, I have seen some posts that indicate that this is probably
> > not the best way
> to
> > accomplish my goal because the Slimserver application actually
> > converts
> the
> > WMA file to an MP3 stream which then has to be converted to an SPDIF
> > compatible output at the device. Is this correct? If not can someone
> > briefly explain what the device does in this scenario? Is this
> arrangement
> > ever going to result in good music results or always be one of
> > compromise due to multiple conversions of the file?
> >
> > Given that it's really important to me to have the output from the SB
> > in a format that my receiver can handle on it's own (I know some
> > people claim they cannot hear a difference between the SB's DAC and
> > analog output, but
> I
> > think the DAC's in my receiver should give higher fidelity and using
> > them will avoid reprossessing) I am willing to re-rip all of my CD's
> > to another format and even move to a dedicated server(I have a spare
> unused PC).
> > Storage space isn't unlimited, but I am willing to add disk space.
> > It's relatively cheap. But before I go to that trouble, I wanted to
> > "go to the source" and ask for some opinions/recommendations here.
> > Any input is welcome and greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >