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Christopher Jacob
2004-12-02, 08:27
Bandwidth is a problem when streaming uncompressed over wireless. Is there
any possibility in running a CAT5 to the SB? Some people have used 802.11g
bridges to take advantage of the higher bandwidth, but I don't know the
result. This topic comes up every now and again on the list, so you may find
some help in the archives.

~c

> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com [mailto:discuss-
> bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hartley
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:59 AM
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression
> andConnectingSBto an AV receiver
>
> John,
> Thanks. PCM is an uncompressed DVD audio format, correct? So I guess it
> would it be safe to assume it is compatible with the DACs on my receiver.
> That's great news. Do you see any issue with bandwidth over wireless?
> The
> SB will be the ONLY wireless device(s) on the network, and I do not
> anticipate ever having more than two--although I am oly starting with a
> single for now.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John L Fjellstad" <john-slimlist (AT) fjellstad (DOT) org>
> To: <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:55 AM
> Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression and
> ConnectingSBto an AV receiver
>
>
> > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:58:06AM -0500, Mike Hartley wrote:
> > > Dean,
> > > Thanks for the reply. Do you know how the Slim-server/SB device
> handles
> WMA
> > > Lossless (ie is it converted to MP3/something else prior to sending to
> the
> > > SB and how is it output from the digital outs?
> >
> > If you have a squeezebox, it will be converted to pcm and sent over, and
> > if you are using a slimp3 device, it will be converted to a 320 bits
> > (default) mp3 file. All depending on your setting for the player in the
> > audio tab (check http://localhost:9000/)
> >
> > --
> > John L. Fjellstad
> > web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
> >

Mike Hartley
2004-12-02, 09:11
Christopher,
Unfortunately, the only way that I can get CAT-5 from the server to the SB
would be to run it outside and under the eaves of the house. Given that I
am in Florida, this presents a vulnerable path for lightning and I don't
want to go to the expense of putting IROBs on the cable. So wireless it
will probably be unless the results are totally unacceptable.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Jacob" <chris (AT) jacob-solutions (DOT) com>
To: "'Slim Devices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:27 AM
Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression
andConnectingSBtoan AV receiver


> Bandwidth is a problem when streaming uncompressed over wireless. Is there
> any possibility in running a CAT5 to the SB? Some people have used 802.11g
> bridges to take advantage of the higher bandwidth, but I don't know the
> result. This topic comes up every now and again on the list, so you may
find
> some help in the archives.
>
> ~c
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com [mailto:discuss-
> > bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hartley
> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:59 AM
> > To: Slim Devices Discussion
> > Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression
> > andConnectingSBto an AV receiver
> >
> > John,
> > Thanks. PCM is an uncompressed DVD audio format, correct? So I guess
it
> > would it be safe to assume it is compatible with the DACs on my
receiver.
> > That's great news. Do you see any issue with bandwidth over wireless?
> > The
> > SB will be the ONLY wireless device(s) on the network, and I do not
> > anticipate ever having more than two--although I am oly starting with a
> > single for now.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John L Fjellstad" <john-slimlist (AT) fjellstad (DOT) org>
> > To: <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:55 AM
> > Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats, compression and
> > ConnectingSBto an AV receiver
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:58:06AM -0500, Mike Hartley wrote:
> > > > Dean,
> > > > Thanks for the reply. Do you know how the Slim-server/SB device
> > handles
> > WMA
> > > > Lossless (ie is it converted to MP3/something else prior to sending
to
> > the
> > > > SB and how is it output from the digital outs?
> > >
> > > If you have a squeezebox, it will be converted to pcm and sent over,
and
> > > if you are using a slimp3 device, it will be converted to a 320 bits
> > > (default) mp3 file. All depending on your setting for the player in
the
> > > audio tab (check http://localhost:9000/)
> > >
> > > --
> > > John L. Fjellstad
> > > web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
> > >

Steve Baumgarten
2004-12-02, 09:11
> Bandwidth is a problem when streaming uncompressed over wireless. Is there
> any possibility in running a CAT5 to the SB? Some people have used 802.11g
> bridges to take advantage of the higher bandwidth, but I don't know the
> result. This topic comes up every now and again on the list, so you may
> find some help in the archives.

This really isn't true, though many people seem to believe it is. The
amount of data involved in an uncompressed audio stream is nowhere near
the available bandwidth that 802.11b provides. Many people here (myself
included) stream uncompressed over 802.11b with few or no problems. What
problems do arise typically have more to do with wireless glitches
generally (e.g., someone turns on the microwave) or CPU load on the box
hosting the Slimserver.

Even with a WDS repeater in the middle of my 802.11b setup (which
effectively cuts my available bandwidth in half), I don't have problems
with uncompressed streams. (OK, the occasional glitch, yes; major
problems, definitely not.)

SBB





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Mike Hartley
2004-12-06, 07:43
Ken,
Thanks for the tip. I always wondered if those really worked. I'm
seriously considering putting in a 11g router+wireless bridge as suggested
in an e-mail from SB Tech support. Like he said, it's not the most elegant
solution but it works really well. But the wall-plugged solution would be
much simpler to install and more secure.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Gilmore" <onymous (AT) comcast (DOT) net>
To: <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 11:56 AM
Subject: [slim] Question regarding formats,
compressionandConnectingSBtoan AV receiver


> [posted and mailed]
>
> "Mike Hartley"
> <mhartley-IJRQ+JzYGfmB+jHODAdFcQ (AT) public (DOT) gmane.org> wrote in
> news:009701c4d889$85326c90$1a01000a (AT) comsolusa (DOT) com:
>
> > Unfortunately, the only way that I can get CAT-5 from the
> > server to the SB would be to run it outside and under the
> > eaves of the house. Given that I am in Florida, this
> > presents a vulnerable path for lightning and I don't want
> > to go to the expense of putting IROBs on the cable. So
> > wireless it will probably be unless the results are totally
> > unacceptable.
>
> I'm in a similar situation. A Florida home with block walls and
> a flat roof. I do have CAT-5 running outside the house to a
> couple locations, but when it came time to add another room to
> the network, I decided to try a "Wall-Plugged" ethernet bridge -
> it runs through your house's electric wiring. Using 2 Netgear
> XE102 units, one near my router and the other in the far
> bedroom, it worked flawlessly. Just plug them in and they work!
> Bandwidth is excellent at 14Mbps; with 320 kbps streaming to a
> Slimp3, the buffer stays 98% full. Full PCM to a Squeezebox
> would be no problem.
>
> The pair of XE102s can be had for about $90.00.
>
> --
>