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raptor_demon
2014-06-12, 10:45
Hi Guys,

saw this today:
http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sv_dmusic_0?ie=UTF8&node=8335758011


could be quite cool.

anyone feel like making a squeezebox plugin?

Raptor

usbethjim
2014-06-12, 13:28
+1 - oh great plug-in masters...

Jim

JJZolx
2014-06-12, 13:57
I'm looking at it now ... What makes it so cool? Looks like a bazillion other music services.

fuzzyT
2014-06-12, 14:14
The most obvious immediate benefit is that persons already subscribing
to Amazon Prime get it for no additional cost.

DaveWr
2014-06-12, 15:08
The most obvious immediate benefit is that persons already subscribing
to Amazon Prime get it for no additional cost.

Just like in the UK Amazon Prime subscription increased by £30.00 when video was added!

JJZolx
2014-06-12, 15:25
I find Amazon Prime movies to be so horribly unusable that I never watch anything on it. Can't imagine the music service would be anything better. The primary purpose of the Prime movies seems to be to sell you DVDs.

Nonreality
2014-06-12, 17:36
Their movie app on my tv is basically unusable but the one on my Sony bluray player isn't too bad. Made it at least another option to Netflix.

Tapatalk gave me this handy App for my Nexus 7 :-)

selizaga
2014-06-12, 19:02
I just took a look at the music library that Amazon is offering and there are many artists and albums that I like. I would love to be able to play them on my SBT.

Please someone help create an app.

Sebastian

fuzzyT
2014-06-13, 08:32
My experience with the video service has been OK. We don't use it much,
but the streams have been reliable and of good quality. We use their
PS3 app for viewing. We've watched mostly TV shows: Alpha House and
Orphan Black.

At first glance the music service is a little underwhelming. The seem
to be focused on big name artists, and selected tracks. Not my area of
interest. Maybe it will improve.

One nice thing they did was to preload a "Library" page in the mobile
app with music I'd purchased on physical formats over the last few
years. That's actually pretty handy.

It's always nice to have options, but given where they are and the fact
that I'm enjoying my Beats subscription, I don't see myself using Amazon
Music all that much.

aubuti
2014-06-13, 14:52
I find Amazon Prime movies to be so horribly unusable that I never watch anything on it. Can't imagine the music service would be anything better. The primary purpose of the Prime movies seems to be to sell you DVDs.
Interesting -- I've found Amazaon prime movies work fine on my iPad, computer, or on my tv via a Roku box. The menu/selection functions fine and haven't had issues with the streaming itself. The current music selection seems much less extensive than most other services (they boast "over a million songs", which is a small fraction of Spotify, Rhapsody, and probably others).

TomAmes
2014-06-13, 15:24
Interesting -- I've found Amazaon prime movies work fine on my iPad, computer, or on my tv via a Roku box. The menu/selection functions fine and haven't had issues with the streaming itself. The current music selection seems much less extensive than most other services (they boast "over a million songs", which is a small fraction of Spotify, Rhapsody, and probably others).

+1

And my cursory initial search fails to find any music that I want that is not available via Rhapsody.

aubuti
2014-06-13, 15:37
And my cursory initial search fails to find any music that I want that is not available via Rhapsody.
But as someone else has already pointed out, the main appeal would likely be for someone who already has Amazon Prime, but does not have Rhapsody, Spotify, or the like.

Speaking of Rhapsody, is it still working on Squeezeboxes? I'm thinking of re-subscribing now that MOG is dead. The Rhapsody pages note compatibility with the Logitech UE Radio, but nothing re Logitech Squeezebox. I wasn't sure if that was because of incompatibility, or because it's a discontinued line so they don't bother to cross-brand.

rgro
2014-06-13, 16:00
Speaking of Rhapsody, is it still working on Squeezeboxes? I'm thinking of re-subscribing now that MOG is dead. The Rhapsody pages note compatibility with the Logitech UE Radio, but nothing re Logitech Squeezebox. I wasn't sure if that was because of incompatibility, or because it's a discontinued line so they don't bother to cross-brand.

Rhapsody is still working fine with my Touch and Radio (the "regular" Radio, not UE).

jimmypowder
2014-06-13, 19:25
Amazon's audio quality stinks.

It is worse then Spotify,Itunes Radio,Pandora ,etc.

Julf
2014-06-14, 04:29
Amazon's audio quality stinks.

It is worse then Spotify,Itunes Radio,Pandora ,etc.

In what way? Lower bitrate? More compression?

jimmypowder
2014-06-15, 03:28
[QUOTE="Julf;783438"] In what way? Lower bitrate? More compression?[/QUOTE

I have no idea what the bitrate is but the audio quality to my ears is the worst of all the streaming services .

usbethjim
2014-06-15, 07:58
A couple of quotes from news articles concerning Amazon Prime Music:

"Play Music streams at a variable bitrate by default, but discerning ears can opt to listen only at its "high quality" setting of 256kbps." - The Verge

"For streaming, sound quality will be adjusted for available connectivity, which will range from a high bit rate of 256k to a low of 48k" - BillboardBiz

I didn't think anyone did 48K anymore...YIKES! I guess that's for those that connect with a tin can & string!

Jim

garym
2014-06-15, 10:22
A couple of quotes from news articles concerning Amazon Prime Music:

"Play Music streams at a variable bitrate by default, but discerning ears can opt to listen only at its "high quality" setting of 256kbps." - The Verge

"For streaming, sound quality will be adjusted for available connectivity, which will range from a high bit rate of 256k to a low of 48k" - BillboardBiz

I didn't think anyone did 48K anymore...YIKES! I guess that's for those that connect with a tin can & string!

Jim

I suspect the 48kbps is what it drops to on a "not strong" 3G connection on one's phone. There are ipad/iphone apps for Amazon prime streaming.

e3954
2014-06-16, 10:01
Nothing terribly wrong with Amazon. Prime offers additional benefits including this one. Why not use it? I have a very old Squeezebox 3 which still works perfectly. Use it all the time and would very much like to have this service added, but I don't have a clue how to do this. One of you experts could probably enable this with your eyes closed...
I just took a look at the music library that Amazon is offering and there are many artists and albums that I like. I would love to be able to play them on my SBT.

Please someone help create an app.

Sebastian

Nonreality
2014-06-17, 01:31
Amazon's audio quality stinks.

It is worse then Spotify,Itunes Radio,Pandora ,etc.
Spotify is actually quite good if you set it correctly and have good wi fi. 320kbs

Tapatalk gave me this handy App for my Nexus 7 :-)

Nonreality
2014-06-17, 01:38
The main purpose of the amazon app is to sell music which is ok. I do like the fact that you can buy a cd and also have a good rip to listen to at once. That it also let's you listen to some albums is a nice bonus. It's not going to replace google or spotify for a good, pretty complete, listening music source.

Tapatalk gave me this handy App for my Nexus 7 :-)

Dogberry2
2014-06-17, 11:05
Interesting -- I've found Amazaon prime movies work fine on my iPad, computer, or on my tv via a Roku box. The menu/selection functions fine and haven't had issues with the streaming itself.Same here. Never had any streaming problems from Amazon to Roku via WiFi.

I doubt that I'll ever use the music streaming much, since I have plenty of other options, including streaming my own LMS library to my phone and to a Boom or Radio when I travel. But since I already have Prime, it doesn't bother me having the option available.

garym
2014-06-17, 12:11
Same here. Never had any streaming problems from Amazon to Roku via WiFi.

I doubt that I'll ever use the music streaming much, since I have plenty of other options, including streaming my own LMS library to my phone and to a Boom or Radio when I travel. But since I already have Prime, it doesn't bother me having the option available.

+1. I've streamed lots of movies via Amazon Prime both through Roku and built in app on smartTV. Not much interest in music streaming from them as I use Spotify for that currently.

JJZolx
2014-06-17, 12:19
I've never had any problems with streaming. I was referring to Amazon's web interface. For players with software that use their API, I imagine it's much better.

As a matter of fact, I'm browsing Amazon's web interface right now and it looks like it's improved quite a bit from the last time I looked at it. A lot more like Netflix now.

spedinfargo
2014-06-22, 13:11
Did you guys really do a close analysis of the stuff on Amazon Prime music? In just 30 seconds I did a quick scan through some of my favorite artists and then a few up-and-comers that I've listened to lately and I found LOTS of holes in Amazon Prime music. Yeah, it's great that it's free with my Amazon Prime subscription, but doesn't look anywhere as comprehensive as Rhapsody, Spotify, Xbox Music, etc.

JJZolx
2014-06-22, 13:23
Did you guys really do a close analysis of the stuff on Amazon Prime music? In just 30 seconds I did a quick scan through some of my favorite artists and then a few up-and-comers that I've listened to lately and I found LOTS of holes in Amazon Prime music. Yeah, it's great that it's free with my Amazon Prime subscription, but doesn't look anywhere as comprehensive as Rhapsody, Spotify, Xbox Music, etc.

I think it's fairly well known that Amazon Prime's music library is a fraction of the size of that of Spotify and other services.

bonze
2014-06-22, 15:13
Did you guys really do a close analysis of the stuff on Amazon Prime music? In just 30 seconds I did a quick scan through some of my favorite artists and then a few up-and-comers that I've listened to lately and I found LOTS of holes in Amazon Prime music. Yeah, it's great that it's free with my Amazon Prime subscription, but doesn't look anywhere as comprehensive as Rhapsody, Spotify, Xbox Music, etc.
Is it free with Prime?

Or is this the new Prime with films and stuff that they doubled the membership price for?

garym
2014-06-22, 15:34
Is it free with Prime?

Or is this the new Prime with films and stuff that they doubled the membership price for?

free with prime (there is only one "prime" as far as I know). It used to by $79/year and they raised it for all to (I think) $99. I'm a member because of streaming free movies, TV shows and the free shipping for the seemingly hundreds of things we buy from Amazon. And the music streaming comes at no additional charge. I played with it a little on my iphone with the amazon app. Don't really need it at the moment for my squeezeboxes (between spotify, my own music, and other free stuff (internet radio). But if an app worked with it, that would be fine with me (particularly if it didn't require mysb.com). That is, something like triode's spotify 3rd party app.

Nonreality
2014-06-26, 20:32
I think it's fairly well known that Amazon Prime's music library is a fraction of the size of that of Spotify and other services.
Of what they do have they are only letting the Prime app access to a very small portion. Unless you want to buy of course.

Blisteringblue
2015-09-05, 02:00
Bit late to the party but I like a bit of something for nothing (well I had prime anyway and never noticed the music). I have a multitude of amazon devices for the video service the main one being the amazon fire TV which is hooked up to my amp so can use prime music there, my hole is in the kitchen where my boom lives? I have the amazon app on my phone and have a bluetooth speaker but would be a lot easier on the boom if anybody comes up with something? I'm still a physical music man so not really embraced any of the streaming services, so this is a nice introduction even if not to the spotify levels.

soundcheck
2015-11-09, 01:47
Just tried the new (at least over here) Amazon Music streaming service on my Android device.

Quite interesting since it is free for Prime Members.
If I recall it correctly they grant access to around 1milllion tracks. Not too bad.

It's just mp3 though. However for backround noise its quite usable.

I'll keep the fingers crossed that one day we'll see a LMS plugin or an app on mysqueezebox.com.

audiogene
2015-11-11, 07:29
Just tried the new (at least over here) Amazon Music streaming service on my Android device.

I'll keep the fingers crossed that one day we'll see a LMS plugin or an app on mysqueezebox.com.

I second this request full heartedly :)

Greets
audiogene

mgraves
2015-11-22, 12:37
+1, I'd love to see this happen.

CrankyTom
2015-12-19, 00:38
Bump +1 Amazon Prime Music on Squeezebox would be awesome.

d6jg
2015-12-22, 09:31
I have found a workaround way to do this using http://www.streamwhatyouhear.com/ and then tuning LMS into the resulting stream. Basically this software turns the sound card output of your PC into either an mp3 or WAV/PCM stream.

Windows only.
I think it should be possible to run it on the same Windows PC as LMS as it uses entirely different port range.

Note - on install it crashed on my W10 box but after a restart it was fine.

Currently listening to Amazon Prime on a syncd pair of Pi's running PicorePlayer which is streaming from a browser session on PC

Tip. Fix the port under Settings. Otherwise a random port get chosen every restart.

CrankyTom
2015-12-22, 11:48
I have found a workaround way to do this...

Thanks for the suggestion, I assume you need to control the audio input from the windows computer? There's no way to control your Amazon Music stream from the squeezebox unit.

d6jg
2015-12-22, 11:50
Thanks for the suggestion, I assume you need to control the audio input from the windows computer? There's no way to control your Amazon Music stream from the squeezebox unit.

Correct.
It's just a workaround that delivers the PC Soundcard output to a stream.
Definitely not a long term solution.
Sound quality is only ok.

slimfast
2015-12-24, 15:11
For 'free' (if you have Amazon Prime) it's pretty awesome. It's not a replacement for something like Spotify or Napster in terms of available catalogue but it does have a lot of good stuff. You can also download music to your mobile device to listen to offline too, using the Amazon player app.

I can't ever see it supporting Squeezebox/LMS though :-/

I'm finding myself using Bluetooth audio streaming directly from my phone or tablet to my Hifi more than listening on my Squeezebox Classic in recent times ...... Still getting good use out of the Boom and Radios as they have the USP of having built in amplification and speakers but even there I could just use portable bluetooth speakers and use my mobile as the source (of course, you can install a Squeezebox player app on Android too). Or hook up a bluetooth receiver box to the Boom I guess.

earthbased
2016-10-19, 08:33
The new paid Amazon Music Unlimited service is very compelling. The selection is massive and audio quality is very good. Any plans for LMS plugin?

d6jg
2016-10-19, 08:48
Highly unlikely as their objective is to sell Amazon Echo's and Kindle Android devices etc and AFAIK there are no plans to launch an API. I suppose it is possible that they will release something for mainstream hardware manufacturers but that must be a low priority for now.

soundcheck
2016-10-20, 00:33
I have a workaround to play Amazon Music on squeezeclients.

Limitation: For iOS device owners only.

First I activate the shairtunes2 plugin.
All squeezeclients will then be offered as Airplay devices on the iPad/iPhone.

Open the Amazon Music app and select your Airplay device (squeezeclient) of choice.

Works great.

Just another idea popped up:
Since most streaming providers (Tidal, Qobuz, Spotify) offer much better iOS Apps to handle their offerings, than what you'll find as LMS plugin implementation,
it might be worth a thought to also use above method for the rest of the bunch.


One drawback of this method will be the high traffic over WLAN. Another drawback will be the occupation of your iPhone/iPad.

Max2Play
2016-11-09, 07:58
We now have a great workaround for both iOS and Android in the form of our new Bluetooth plugin! The plugin allows you to pair your phone/tablet with the Pi and automatically reconnect after pairing. It then lets you either feed the audio from the phone/tablet directly to the preferred audio outlet by selecting the "Pulse"-option in our Squeezelite audio player or, even better, you can establish the connection as a "radio channel" in your native Squeezebox Server to immediately feed all your Squeeze players with the phone/tablet's audio stream.
This way, you can easily use the Amazon Prime Music app on Android or iOS to start playing your music from Amazon. Or really from any other App or stream on your phone for that matter.

You can find the option by installing the Bluetooth plugin on Max2Play and making a beta update (premium only).

soundcheck
2016-11-09, 09:24
Hmmh.

That's an unacceptable option to me.

1. I'd never go for Max2Play (Nice try to do some marketing)
2. You're leaving the squeeze universe.
3. You need pulseaudio (which is basically a mixer with awful samplerate conversion) - which would all but acceptable to me
4. I prefer WLAN over bluetooth.

But that're just my 2cents.

d6jg
2016-11-09, 14:19
That is a very cludgy workaround!

Bluetooth is compressed and lossy and I for one can hear it.

My preferred workaround remains a separate WindowsPC and Streamwhatyouhear. You then "tune in URL". It's PCM.

Max2Play
2016-11-10, 08:09
Hi d6jg and soundcheck,

Thanks for the feedback! It is true that the Bluetooth signal does not support the highest bitrates out there. However, the idea was originally conceived to find a solution to play Audible audio books with our images on the Raspberry Pi. Audible does not support and thus cannot directly work with the Squeezebox environment. With our Bluetooth plugin, it is now both possible to play an Audible stream (or any other stream from your smartphone/tablet) directly to your Pi via Pulse or establish the previously mentioned second alternative of creating a favorite stream "Bluetooth *yourdevice*" in the Squeezebox Server that will play the output from your smartphone/tablet directly to all selected Squeezebox players you select.
Consequently, I thought this also make a great workaround for the missing Amazon Prime Music plugin in the Squeezebox system. And any other missing services under Squeezebox. The key component we established is the possibility to start a stream for your smartphone or tablet with just one click that can be used by all Squeeze players in the environment.

d6jg
2016-11-10, 08:39
Hi d6jg and soundcheck,

Thanks for the feedback! It is true that the Bluetooth signal does not support the highest bitrates out there. However, the idea was originally conceived to find a solution to play Audible audio books with our images on the Raspberry Pi. Audible does not support and thus cannot directly work with the Squeezebox environment. With our Bluetooth plugin, it is now both possible to play an Audible stream (or any other stream from your smartphone/tablet) directly to your Pi via Pulse or establish the previously mentioned second alternative of creating a favorite stream "Bluetooth *yourdevice*" in the Squeezebox Server that will play the output from your smartphone/tablet directly to all selected Squeezebox players you select.
Consequently, I thought this also make a great workaround for the missing Amazon Prime Music plugin in the Squeezebox system. And any other missing services under Squeezebox. The key component we established is the possibility to start a stream for your smartphone or tablet with just one click that can be used by all Squeeze players in the environment.

Just because you can does not mean you should!

richs
2016-12-01, 11:46
I have a workaround to play Amazon Music on squeezeclients.

Limitation: For iOS device owners only.

First I activate the shairtunes2 plugin.
All squeezeclients will then be offered as Airplay devices on the iPad/iPhone.

Open the Amazon Music app and select your Airplay device (squeezeclient) of choice.

Works great.

Just another idea popped up:
Since most streaming providers (Tidal, Qobuz, Spotify) offer much better iOS Apps to handle their offerings, than what you'll find as LMS plugin implementation,
it might be worth a thought to also use above method for the rest of the bunch.


One drawback of this method will be the high traffic over WLAN. Another drawback will be the occupation of your iPhone/iPad.

I tried this, and indeed could find my players on the iphone. When I selected one and streamed music to them, the album art appeared on the controller screen, but no music played. Upon closer inspection, I found a message on the controller that the connection timed out. I also have some Logitech Internet Radios, and tried streaming to them, and the same thing happened.

Any ideas?

murphaph
2017-02-07, 04:41
Hi all,
First post here. I know it's unlikely but maybe Amazon will reconsider if they get enough signs of interest for a plugin. Afterall, they stand to earn far more from repeating subscriptions than from one off Echo purchases! I think the Echo etc. is designed to push Amazon Music subs and not the other way around ;-)

So anyway I created a petition you might like to sign and let's see what happens. Obviously it is far more effective if we share the petition via social media as nobody will find it by chance.

Thx all.

murphaph
2017-02-07, 04:42
Oh here's the link to the petition:
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/make-amazon-music-available-on-the-squeezebox

lafontaj
2019-01-12, 14:08
If you speak French, you can go to my web site: https://blog.infolaf.net/wiki/diffusion-du-son-dun-poste-de-travail-vers-le-lms/

Using VLC as a streaming server on HTTP URL. For this purpose, use the capture monitor of the sound card. With Linux, just edit a launcher for a script with this command inside:

vlc pulse://alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo.monitor --sout "#transcode{vcodec=none,acodec=mp3,ab=192,channels= 2,samplerate=44100}:http{dst=:8079/desktop.mp3}" :sout-keep

To see which capture device name to use in VLC for linux only, in "Playlist" view mode you have to choose "Audio Acquisition" Select the "MONITOR" device that corresponds to the correct sound card. With the right mouse click, select "Information" and copy the device name ending with « . monitor »

With Windows, create a shortcut and edit with this command line:

"C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC\vlc.exe" dshow:// :dshow-vdev="none" :dshow-adev="Mixage stéréo (VIA High Definit" :dshow-caching=200 :sout="#transcode{vcodec=none,acodec=mp3,ab=192,channels= 2,samplerate=44100}:http{dst=:8079/desktop.mp3}" :sout-keep

Make sure the sound card drivers are installed because otherwise the "Stereo Mix" capture device will not be available.

To know which capture device name to use in Windows only, choose in VLC "Media> Open a capture device> Capture mode = dshow> Name of the audio device" The name will be truncated, but it must be used as is.

On LMS web interface, add a radio connexion :

http://192.168.0.105:8079/desktop.mp3

I saved this one as a favorite. Then just start the script on the workstation. All sound is then broadcast on the address:
http://192.168.0.105:8079/desktop.mp3

Then simply connect to the squeezebox player of your choice. It should be noted that there is a small delay between the sound on the workstation and the squeezebox.

The broadcast ends when you leave VLC.

Bonne Écoute!