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Antoniop
2014-06-10, 08:56
Hi everyone,
I currently have a squeezebox 3 that I use for something like 10 years now. I'm very happy with it, the LMS with all the fantastic plugins : trakstat, musicip, irblaster, and so on.
It works ok so far but I would look for a better sound, it's notably better when I play the same music from the CD player, and also I'm a bit afraid that if my squeezebox comes to stop working, I would be very upset.
I was thinking about buying the squeezebox touch, there are still some to sell, it's about 800 euros on amazon, that's not little, but I would then have a brand new squeezebox that looks nicer, it can play 24 Bit/96khz music files, and have a better dac than the squeezebox 3.
Alternatively, I could keep my squeezebox 3, buy a good external DAC not too expensive, like http://www.whathifi.com/review/arcam-irdac, connected with the optical, and maybe I would have a better sound than with the touch.

I have a quite good (though not audiophile) Denon hi-fi amplifier with Audio Reference floorstanding speakers. They're quite old, something like 20 years and costed me at that time about 300 euros for the amplifier and 600 for the speakers. I'm not thinking to replace them at the moment, because of the money and also I like the "old style" they have.

What do you think ? better buy the touch before they're totally sold out and then eventually by an external DAC later, or go for a better dac now ?

Pascal Hibon
2014-06-10, 10:54
Although a SB Touch is a great player, it certainly is not worth 800 Euro.
You better buy a Wandboard (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101624-Announce-Squeeze-on-Arch-developer-version), Raspberry Pi (https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home) or other ARM hardware platform that supports squeezelite (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97046-Announce-Squeezelite-a-small-headless-squeezeplay-emulator-for-linux-(alsa-only)) or another Squeezebox like software player.
With that option you could use the rest of your budget to buy a great external DAC.

Antoniop
2014-06-10, 13:34
Although a SB Touch is a great player, it certainly is not worth 800 Euro.
You better buy a Wandboard (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101624-Announce-Squeeze-on-Arch-developer-version), Raspberry Pi (https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home) or other ARM hardware platform that supports squeezelite (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97046-Announce-Squeezelite-a-small-headless-squeezeplay-emulator-for-linux-(alsa-only)) or another Squeezebox like software player.
With that option you could use the rest of your budget to buy a great external DAC.

I feared to have that kind of answer ;-) That's a sensible advice.
Well, I wouldn't like to pass to much time on a DIY solution. I noticed that you guys on this forum seem to do very good things, I'm not sure I can do that anyway. But certainly it's worth trying.
What do you do then for the display and the remote control ? I know any android device can be used, but it's not so convenient.

Thanks a lot

Pascal Hibon
2014-06-10, 14:06
What do you do then for the display and the remote control ? I know any android device can be used, but it's not so convenient.

Thanks a lot

I use iPeng and SqueezePad to control all my SB's. I also have a FLIRC (http://flirc.tv/) dongle connected to a WB so that I can use a standard SB remote (or a Harmony remote).

Mnyb
2014-06-10, 21:34
You can start by audition suitable DAC's and still use the SB3 in the interim as a transport (its not broken yet is it ?) .

The bulk of your music is probabaly bog standard 16/44.1 anyway .

Why you try difference sources try to level match them , note different sources have different volume keeping the volume knob in the same spot is not level matching .

When you compare the a squeezebox to a CD player keep volume at 100% and turn of smartgain .
Also if you use a squeezebox as transport for a DAC only 100% volume will keep it bitperfect as the volume works in the digital domain too .

Antoniop
2014-06-11, 05:06
You can start by audition suitable DAC's and still use the SB3 in the interim as a transport (its not broken yet is it ?) .


Yes, you must be right, that may be a good start before buying or building my own player.


The bulk of your music is probabaly bog standard 16/44.1 anyway .

Truth, I've lot of flacs and some ogg and mp3, all 16/44.1 but I was thinking about the future.


Why you try difference sources try to level match them , note different sources have different volume keeping the volume knob in the same spot is not level matching .

When you compare the a squeezebox to a CD player keep volume at 100% and turn of smartgain .
Also if you use a squeezebox as transport for a DAC only 100% volume will keep it bitperfect as the volume works in the digital domain too .

Smartgain, what's this ? I'm using replaygain.
I think you and Pascal are right.
Maybe I should invest some time and build my own player that could act as a LMS server.

Mnyb
2014-06-11, 06:30
Yes, you must be right, that may be a good start before buying or building my own player.

Truth, I've lot of flacs and some ogg and mp3, all 16/44.1 but I was thinking about the future.



Smartgain, what's this ? I'm using replaygain.
I think you and Pascal are right.
Maybe I should invest some time and build my own player that could act as a LMS server.

smartgain = replaygain .

LMS has setting on how it uses these tags ,in the player setings you can choose different methods album or track gain (the smart part ) or not at all .

Replay gain will in genral make a component about 10bB more quiet if listen to typical pop/rock music .

A CD player has no such facility , so when comparing the Squeezebox volume would adjust to different tracks ,but the CD player would not ? it would be hard to do fair comparisions under such circumsstances

SlimChances
2014-06-11, 06:44
Assuming 800 Euros is well over $1000 I think you can buy a used Touch for considerably less money on Ebay. While they seem to be scarcer and harder to find the price for an auctioned used one should be under $400 I believe. Also occassionally a forum member has one or more for sale. The Touch has more extra functionality beyond the DAC and I think it is worth it

here is an ongoing auction that ships to Europe http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Digital-Media-Streamer-/271518470290?pt=US_Internet_Media_Streamers&hash=item3f37c31092

You would need to buy appropriate power plug adapter probably

Statto
2014-06-11, 07:01
Here's another idea for a DAC, plus the spin-off benefit of a portable high-resolution player. It has been collecting rave reviews and likely to tempt me soon! Currently available for just under 300 in the UK, plus the cost of memory cards.

http://fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000055517771&MenuID=105026016

Antoniop
2014-06-11, 14:46
Assuming 800 Euros is well over $1000 I think you can buy a used Touch for considerably less money on Ebay. While they seem to be scarcer and harder to find the price for an auctioned used one should be under $400 I believe. Also occassionally a forum member has one or more for sale. The Touch has more extra functionality beyond the DAC and I think it is worth it

here is an ongoing auction that ships to Europe http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Digital-Media-Streamer-/271518470290?pt=US_Internet_Media_Streamers&hash=item3f37c31092

You would need to buy appropriate power plug adapter probably

Yes, there is this one too, abit more expensive :
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Euro-version-boxed-in-perfect-condition-/281352030636?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_ Streamers&hash=item4181e349ac
Quite tempting !

riffer
2014-06-11, 17:21
800 Euros is ridiculous. I paid $300 CDN earlier this year for one on Canuck Audio Mart.

I'd suggest keeping an eye on ebay, UK / Europe audio mart, what ever online sites you have over there until you can find one at a reasonable price.

As for the original question, I even run my Transporter through a DAC (Audio-gd Master 7). If you find a really good DAC you can keep it for a long time and just switch out various components.

Antoniop
2014-06-12, 02:39
I even run my Transporter through a DAC (Audio-gd Master 7).
What a monster !
I feel ridiculous with my irDAC ! ;-)
Good advice too.
Thanks

Antoniop
2014-06-29, 11:22
Finally, I purchased a used squeezebox touch on ebay, for about 300 euros. This is not cheap, but it is in a good condition.
I'm happy with it so far, sound seems a little bit better than with sb3 and it's of course more nice to use.
it's just that I can't have IR blaster to work with it. I'll post on another forum.
Regards
Antonio