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GeeJay
2014-05-29, 19:53
As I was performing my periodic search for new products that may eventually replace my SBs, if/when they ever wear out, I came across this item that was apparently posted just yesterday:

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89498.0

Has anyone else heard of this product? It looks like JRiver tried to introduce a same-named product back in 2011, but this appears to be totally different.

Seems to be very "under the radar", or at least I've not been able to find much press on it so far.

Mnyb
2014-05-29, 21:38
I stopped reading when it said DLNA :)

I think you can simplify your quest greatly by excluding upnp/dlna when searching media sustems based on that does not have the functionality that us squeezebox user come to expect .

But otherwise keep looking . Eventually one day something must replace the squeezebox

GeeJay
2014-05-30, 20:45
I've seen negative references to dlna in these forums, but am not technical enough to really understand the issue. Is it that there is some fatal flaw with dlna to make it impossible to have the functionality of LMS/SB, or is it just faulty execution?

I seem to recall reading somewhere that syncing devices has been a problem, which would be a showstopper for me if a manufacturer can't figure out how to do it as well as my SBs. Not enough has been written yet about the Id to know if they even claim to have addressed that problem.

Mnyb
2014-05-30, 21:31
I've seen negative references to dlna in these forums, but am not technical enough to really understand the issue. Is it that there is some fatal flaw with dlna to make it impossible to have the functionality of LMS/SB, or is it just faulty execution?

I seem to recall reading somewhere that syncing devices has been a problem, which would be a showstopper for me if a manufacturer can't figure out how to do it as well as my SBs. Not enough has been written yet about the Id to know if they even claim to have addressed that problem.

I don't understand all the details either , a bit of both execution and the dlna/upnp itself these players rarely sync and probaly not with another dlna/upnp player of another brand . Some manufacturers have done thier own extension to allow sync ( Linn ).

Mostly they build players going for the lowest common denominator making it to simple , probably some cheap of the shelf implementation .
Hifi manufactures for example never seem to understand the amount of work and money you have to put in to the software ?

Actually as JRiver is a software company ? Potentially they could do better .

It supposed to be a standard ie you can have several different servers players and controllers , but you rarely see anything but basic functions and a lot of proprietary extensions if they are not very basic .

And then there is the controllers ? I don't get that at all in upnp world .

I have installed several upnp players on my iPad they are all very silly and primitive when you are used to iPeng or SqueezePad .

There was an entertaining tread some years ago in the dev section where this was vented . The technical details eludes me . But it goes something like that dlna/upnp potentially can do all stuff we want but no ones doing doing it because it's very hard to do . You rather do you own code for sync and end up with an proprietary solution .

There is nothing wrong with your own specialised software either . Both squeezeboxes and Sonos use this aproach to get things done their way .

Actually I think slim proto and our server in its many names actually predates upnp/dlna with a couple of years :)

Hmm a pity that never though off pitching this as a standard back then ?

johnas
2014-05-31, 03:33
Sonos uses UPNP for much of it's functionality, they have sync figured out - I wouldn't pass judgement on this until more details are known.

bluegaspode
2014-05-31, 05:25
Sonos uses UPNP for much of it's functionality, they have sync figured out - I wouldn't pass judgement on this until more details are known.

Some stuff from Sonos is based on UPnP protocol but it's definitely not UPnP compliant. You cannot reliably control it (except very basic stuff) via a generic UPnP controller.
Syncing on Sonos is totally custom (and even patented)

johnas
2014-05-31, 06:35
Which is my point about the jriver box: even though UPNP is the listed spec, wait to see what it can do.