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Benefactor
2014-05-03, 15:26
Always wondered why a couple of album titles show up in a different place than they should in the alphabetical music folder listing of LMS.

Artist names in folder title are spelled correctly, and there doesn't seem to be any weird metadata in the FLAC song names.

Any ideas?

dasmueller
2014-05-03, 17:38
More detail would be helpful. You speak of the metadata of the songs. What about the tags of the albums themselves. The folder name is inconsequential unless the tags mirror it.

SlimChances
2014-05-03, 18:15
Always wondered why a couple of album titles show up in a different place than they should in the alphabetical music folder listing of LMS.

Artist names in folder title are spelled correctly, and there doesn't seem to be any weird metadata in the FLAC song names.

Any ideas?

If there are different artists on some tracks this may be reflected in the tags and result in the album showing up under more than one artist

Benefactor
2014-05-03, 19:06
More detail would be helpful.

I have lots of jazz albums...Miles Davis, Bill Evans, etc.

Some of them do not appear in alphabetical order in the music folder list, and I've never been able to figure out why this is.

How might I fix this?

JJZolx
2014-05-03, 19:17
Explain exactly what you mean by "music folder list". How are you browsing? On the Squeezebox player (which model?), using the Squeezebox Controller, in the web interface, or some other? And which method are you using - Artists, Albums, Genres, Music Folder or some other means?

Benefactor
2014-05-03, 19:21
web interface > music folder.

Odd sort only seems to happen with a few titles.

dasmueller
2014-05-03, 19:29
You say some of them do not show up in alphabetical order. From that I gather that some Miles Davis and Bill Evans show up in the correct spot alphabetically. Is That correct ? It also sounds as if you are searching LMS using My Music, Artists and then the problem folders/albums do not show where you think they should be ?

If that is the case what I would do is to look at the tags in MP3Tag for both the ones that show up correctly and the ones that do not. This sounds like a tagging issue of some sort. Also look at the extended tags by highlighting the album and then right click, select extended tags. This will show tags one would not see in the normal view.

The tagging process is tedious but not all that difficult. It is best to develop a scheme that works for how you want things to appear and to follow it in an almost anal manner. Also be sure to check the tags of albums that you may download over the internet, and/or tag using internet databases. Their tags may not fit the scheme you want to use. If they are tagged using an internet database check them after you Ok them, do not rely on what you see in the limited fields available prior to making the selection.

Again more detail would be helpful.

ply3908
2014-05-03, 19:29
Leading blank?

Benefactor
2014-05-03, 19:37
This is using the "music folder" display in web interface of LMS.

Out of dozens of Miles Davis and Bill Evans albums that appear in correct alphabetical order, there are a few that appear in what seems randomly out of place...elsewhere.

Thanks for those trying to lend a hand...I'm sorry if my question is not specific enough.

JJZolx
2014-05-03, 19:41
Ok. When browsing the Music Folder (BMF), the tagging of the files should not matter - only the folder and file names. What convention do you use to name your folders and files and what kind of hierarchy/nesting structure do you use?

Benefactor
2014-05-03, 19:59
Ok. When browsing the Music Folder (BMF), the tagging of the files should not matter - only the folder and file names. What convention do you use to name your folders and files and what kind of hierarchy/nesting structure do you use?

I would have thought like you said, that when browsing the music folder that the tagging of files shouldn't matter, yet I still get a display like this -

JJZolx
2014-05-03, 20:08
All I can suggest is check the L's in the first "Bill" in that folder name. Could they be something else?

JJZolx
2014-05-03, 20:23
What you might even try is to rename the folder and then rename it back.

Benefactor
2014-05-03, 20:31
The L's are really "L's"...and the albums sort correctly in windows explorer, just not in the LMS music folder list...has always kind of bugged me.

It is just a few titles, not really a huge issue.

Renaming them, and naming them again makes no difference in the LMS sort.

Thanks for trying to help.

dasmueller
2014-05-03, 21:10
Have you checked the tags ? How the folders are named/labeled is of no significance. What matters are the tags for the albums. For example I can have a folder named 7-16-2001 Grateful Dead. If that is how the album is tagged in the Album Field it would show up at the top of the list as #s appear before letters. If it is tagged as Grateful Dead 7-16-2001 it would show under Grateful Dead. Maybe a screenshot of the tags for both folders that show where you want them to and ones that do not would help.

If I am wrong someone please correct me. I still think this is a tagging issue of some sort.

Mnyb
2014-05-03, 22:23
Yes when using music folder its the OS that sorts them. Numbers first etc ,

But why not have proper tags and go with artist and album ?

JJZolx
2014-05-03, 22:25
Yes when using music folder its the OS that sorts them. Numbers first etc ,
No, when using Browse Music Folder, the directories are stored in the database, so they're sorted there.

Mnyb
2014-05-03, 22:38
No, when using Browse Music Folder, the directories are stored in the database, so they're sorted there.

Ok so the file and folder names are also in the dB . I just never noticed a break with the host os ?

But the web UI does not present preceding and duoble spaces for example..

JJZolx
2014-05-03, 22:55
I never use BMF, so couldn't really say. I think you can get a slightly different ordering compared to Windows because of how windows collates some punctuation characters, but this shouldn't apply to the OP's problem.

DJanGo
2014-05-04, 04:04
is it a compilation?
whats your setting?
whats your os?
whats your lms version?
where are the files stored?

Benefactor
2014-05-04, 05:49
is it a compilation?
whats your setting?
whats your os?
whats your lms version?
where are the files stored?

Yes, seems to happen with various artist compilations.
Settings in LMS - "Group Compilation albums together", and "list Albums by band" if that is what you're asking
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
LMS 7.8.0
Files stored in external USB drive

Again, I don't understand why the LMS settings regarding compilations would have any bearing on how the titles display in music folder view.

dasmueller
2014-05-04, 08:10
A lot of people have issues with compilations. Maybe that's why I never use them. I instead use a title I will recognize as a compilation. It might be nice if one of those knowledgeable in the area could put together a wiki of sorts of how to use compilations properly along with what not to do.

Jeff52
2014-05-04, 09:00
I have never had a problem with compilations appearing property in the music list. I use mp3tag and make sure the song is tagged with the same "album" name as the other songs in the compilation. I do not use Album Artist and always list the song as a compilation with the compilation tag. All compilation albums are stored in the "Various Artists" folder. Screenshots are from mp3tag.

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JJZolx
2014-05-04, 09:09
Again, I don't understand why the LMS settings regarding compilations would have any bearing on how the titles display in music folder view.
To the best of my knowledge, they should not have any effect on browsing by Music Folder. Again, tagging should be ignored and only folder and file names used.

Mnyb
2014-05-04, 09:24
A complete rescan ?

Benefactor
2014-05-04, 09:46
A complete rescan ?

I do them frequently...the out of place titles never "right" themselves.

Been that way for years...on different computers running different versions of squeezecenter/squeezebox server/LMS/etc.

I've pretty much gotten used to it...just thought I would throw it out there, and see if anyone might know why.

Another squeezebox mystery...

Mnyb
2014-05-04, 09:57
Mysterius no space or other invisible character in the folder name ? an extra space somewhere in the name .

Mnyb
2014-05-04, 09:59
Maybe a stupid sugestion if you just make another folder named Bill Evans ..... etc where would it sort ? (donít copy paste the original folder name ,type it ) .

If that folder works move the files over to that one

JJZolx
2014-05-04, 10:05
Maybe a stupid sugestion if you just make another folder named Bill Evans ..... etc where would it sort ? (don’t copy paste the original folder name ,type it ) .

If that folder works move the files over to that one
That's sort of what I suggested previously. But better. It may still be necessary to do a full clear and rescan afterward.

I'm wondering if it has to do with character set issues. The names are stored in the database in blob (binary) fields, not text fields, so any oddball encoding of letters would be carried into the database. Typing the folder name in again should clear up any problems of that kind.

Benefactor
2014-05-04, 10:21
Well, what do you know?

Re-typing the folder title verbatim sorts it to the correct place.

I haven't the slightest idea why that works, since I made no change at all to the title aside from typing it in again.

Thank you all so much for the help!

Mnyb
2014-05-04, 11:07
That's sort of what I suggested previously. But better. It may still be necessary to do a full clear and rescan afterward.

I'm wondering if it has to do with character set issues. The names are stored in the database in blob (binary) fields, not text fields, so any oddball encoding of letters would be carried into the database. Typing the folder name in again should clear up any problems of that kind.


Well, what do you know?

Re-typing the folder title verbatim sorts it to the correct place.

I haven't the slightest idea why that works, since I made no change at all to the title aside from typing it in again.

Thank you all so much for the help!

Has it been copied around several OS disc formats and locales ,it could be something wrong it's name , I've had files that looks ok in the desktop but not when looking at it from a terminal ?

dasmueller
2014-05-04, 12:21
I have never had a problem with compilations appearing property in the music list. I use mp3tag and make sure the song is tagged with the same "album" name as the other songs in the compilation. I do not use Album Artist and always list the song as a compilation with the compilation tag. All compilation albums are stored in the "Various Artists" folder. Screenshots are from mp3tag.

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My screen shows differently-Directory Album Artist, Composer, Disc Number that is the last field. Probably has to do w how I have it setup. I do pretty much what you do, only I have the filename and then the artist and no compilation tag.