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slimfast
2014-03-26, 10:41
Uh oh - Last.fm discontinuing their subscription radio service and relying on third party providers to serve the music ....

http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/26/last-fm-killing-subscription-radio/


"You'll still be able to listen to your personal stations and library via the Youtube-powered Last.fm player on the desktop (currently in beta), and users can still play their Last.fm tracks on Spotify. In other words, Last.fm will now rely on third-party providers rather than streaming from its own servers."


What are the chances that the eventual solution will enable Squeezebox owners to listen to their chosen music streams as before? Slim to none I'll bet :-(

Last.fm was one of the services that really made Squeezebox worthwhile for me. I listen to certain artist and genre streams all the time .... Or rather, listened.

asdti
2014-03-26, 10:52
Me too.:(

I have over a year's Last FM subscription pre-paid.

At least they say I can claim a refund (we'll have to see how quickly THAT happens...)

FWIW - just as an alternative suggestion for ex Last FM subscribers - I still have a Napster/Rhapsody subscription which still has many of the same features, although its a bit dearer. Now if Napster disappeared that really would be the end of Squeezebox for me.
I never really understood the appeal of Spotify (I have both but never use it). To me it seems twice the price for less (yes I know stream is better quality but I honestly can't hear the difference and the cover art on Spotify is dreadfully pixelated.

garym
2014-03-26, 15:17
I never really understood the appeal of Spotify (I have both but never use it).

never used last.fm (other than for scrobbling my tracks). Did Last.fm allow you to select and play particular songs or albums, or did it work similar to Pandora (that is, play a mix of songs based on a track or artist, but not be able to play *particular* songs. What I like about Spotify is the ability to play specific songs or albums (mostly for previewing new music I might buy later or for one off playing of things I don't want to own). So that's my basis for liking spotify (mog or rhapsody would allow the same thing too, but I moved from MOG to spotify, because it will work even if they shut down mysb.com). Spotify combined with smartmix plugin makes for a fantastic random play method as well.

pippin
2014-03-26, 16:18
What would be cool would be a plugin to be able to play your last.fm "loved tracks" using other services with some search integration.

mherger
2014-03-26, 23:06
> What would be cool would be a plugin to be able to play your last.fm
> "loved tracks" using other services with some search integration.

That's what I hoped would be possible when they mentioned that mixes
would still be available through Spotify. But my inquiries so far have
gone un-responded :-(. The contacts I had at last.fm seem to have left
the company...

--

Michael

pippin
2014-03-27, 04:09
Ah. But I was thinking about something like SmartMix which does the lookup by itself :)

slimfast
2014-03-27, 06:37
Me too.:(

I have over a year's Last FM subscription pre-paid.

At least they say I can claim a refund (we'll have to see how quickly THAT happens...)

FWIW - just as an alternative suggestion for ex Last FM subscribers - I still have a Napster/Rhapsody subscription which still has many of the same features, although its a bit dearer. Now if Napster disappeared that really would be the end of Squeezebox for me.
I never really understood the appeal of Spotify (I have both but never use it). To me it seems twice the price for less (yes I know stream is better quality but I honestly can't hear the difference and the cover art on Spotify is dreadfully pixelated.

By sheer luck, my Last.fm subscription is just about to expire. Sadly, it won't now be renewed. It probably took up the majority of my Squeezebox listening hours as I loved to put a custom station on, based on a favourite artist or a genre.

I've got Napster too (wonder how long that will last?) but it really is a different kind of service despite having some areas where functionality is similar (themed radio stations).

Clearly, this is all happening because the music industry jacked up the cost of streaming. Well, they really shot themselves in the foot if my own personal music listening is anything to go by as I discovered a lot of new music by first hearing a track/artist through Last.fm .. then added the album to my Napster Library to check out in more detail .. and if I really liked it would buy the mp3 downloads or CD. It was a really well-integrated chain of music discovery and purchase. The fatcats in the record companies seem to want to wipe out as much online streaming as possible - or at least make it as expensive as just buying the music outright for the end user. Utterly short sighted.

slimfast
2014-03-27, 06:44
never used last.fm (other than for scrobbling my tracks). Did Last.fm allow you to select and play particular songs or albums, or did it work similar to Pandora (that is, play a mix of songs based on a track or artist, but not be able to play *particular* songs. What I like about Spotify is the ability to play specific songs or albums (mostly for previewing new music I might buy later or for one off playing of things I don't want to own). So that's my basis for liking spotify (mog or rhapsody would allow the same thing too, but I moved from MOG to spotify, because it will work even if they shut down mysb.com). Spotify combined with smartmix plugin makes for a fantastic random play method as well.

Services like spotify and napster are about allowing you to build a music library that you stream, with a monthly subscription. They essentially are like 'renting' your music but are a great way to access a lot of music for not a lot of money.

Last.fm was all about discovering new music and sharing it with other people who had similar tastes. It used to be that you could build playlists but not control exactly which songs were played but that was dropped quite a while back. What you could do was listen to a custom stream that was tailored around what you normally listen to, or a stream of stuff it reckoned you would like, or a stream built around music similar to that made by a given artist or a specified genre/tag. You could also listen to the streams of your 'friends' on the service. It was absolutely great for getting a selection of music that you were almost sure to like but either didn't have to choose yourself (in the case of the station tailored to your known musical choices) or would never otherwise have heard (for the recommendation or genre stations).

garym
2014-03-27, 10:44
Services like spotify and napster are about allowing you to build a music library that you stream, with a monthly subscription. They essentially are like 'renting' your music but are a great way to access a lot of music for not a lot of money.

true, or a way to preview specific albums before decisions about purchasing (which is my primary use of Spotify and why Pandora doesn't work for me in that way). I still believe in building my own collection without relying on "rented" music. I've seen too many artists/albums available for streaming that then disappear from the streaming service.

I do like the added benefit of Spotify that on my iphone/ipad/computer when I'm away from home, I have lots of things to listen to without bothering with bringing songs from my collection with me or somehow connecting back over the internet to my home music server. I wouldn't pay the $9.99 a month just for that part however. It's the previewing new music that I pay for.

kc5f
2014-03-27, 15:12
I've been a subscriber to Last.fm for six years and will really miss it. The best thing about it for me has been the depth of the music they have. I listen to a wide variety of music, and through Last.fm am continually discovering new artists and buying their music, both as mp3's and as CD's. Spotify, Pandora, etc, seem only interested in major labels and don't have a quarter of the artists I've come to really like. Just this month I've really been liking a Finnish big band rap collaboration, but the chances of finding Ricky-Tick Big Band & Julkinen Sana, let alone Tsuumi Sound System, Trio Mio, Frigg, Harv and similar groups on any other service are next to nil. And that's just the Scandinavian side of my musical taste!

jimmypowder
2014-03-27, 17:13
true, or a way to preview specific albums before decisions about purchasing (which is my primary use of Spotify and why Pandora doesn't work for me in that way). I still believe in building my own collection without relying on "rented" music. I've seen too many artists/albums available for streaming that then disappear from the streaming service. I do like the added benefit of Spotify that on my iphone/ipad/computer when I'm away from home, I have lots of things to listen to without bothering with bringing songs from my collection with me or somehow connecting back over the internet to my home music server. I wouldn't pay the $9.99 a month just for that part however. It's the previewing new music that I pay for.

I have found that Spotify is actually saving me money as I used to buy Cd's without being able to
preview them .

Now if I only really really like the cd do I purchase it . There are many albums that simply
Aren't that good all the way through.

Grumpy Bob
2014-03-27, 22:02
I have found that Spotify is actually saving me money as I used to buy Cd's without being able to
preview them .

Now if I only really really like the cd do I purchase it . There are many albums that simply
Aren't that good all the way through.

In contrast, I have found that I'm buying far more music since starting to use Spotify. Mostly as flac downloads, but sometimes as CD and occasionally vinyl. I'm finding the ability to pick up new things from last.fm and Spotify friends provides a much greater exposure to new (and old) music than I've ever had before.

Robert

garym
2014-03-28, 05:17
I've been a subscriber to Last.fm for six years and will really miss it. The best thing about it for me has been the depth of the music they have. I listen to a wide variety of music, and through Last.fm am continually discovering new artists and buying their music, both as mp3's and as CD's. Spotify, Pandora, etc, seem only interested in major labels and don't have a quarter of the artists I've come to really like. Just this month I've really been liking a Finnish big band rap collaboration, but the chances of finding Ricky-Tick Big Band & Julkinen Sana, let alone Tsuumi Sound System, Trio Mio, Frigg, Harv and similar groups on any other service are next to nil. And that's just the Scandinavian side of my musical taste!

Spotify started in your part of the world (Sweden). A quick look at my spotify account and I see one or more albums from all the artists you listed above:

Ricky-Tick Big Band & Julkinen Sana
Tsuumi Sound System
Trio Mio
Frigg
Harv

kc5f
2014-03-28, 12:31
My part of the world is actually North Carolina in the US, but thanks for the good news about Spotify. I checked it about a year ago and found nothing I was then listening to. Time to try it out again!

garym
2014-03-28, 13:55
My part of the world is actually North Carolina in the US, but thanks for the good news about Spotify. I checked it about a year ago and found nothing I was then listening to. Time to try it out again!

:eek: My biases showing. I was assuming that a Finish music lover would obviously live in that part of the world. Sorry....

Julf
2014-03-28, 14:34
:eek: My biases showing. I was assuming that a Finish music lover would obviously live in that part of the world. Sorry....

I am originally Finnish, and I really don't like that stuff, so... :)