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dean
2004-11-26, 12:39
Hi Folks,

I'd like to get some feedback from folks on the list about the volume
of mail on this discussion list.

Despite doing my best to configure my mailer, I'm feeling overwhelmed
by the volume of messages. The vast majority of the traffic is great,
but we may be reaching the breaking point on the list.

One would be to split the list into multiple smaller lists, but I fear
that this would fragment the community too much.

Personally, I prefer mailing lists to web-based forums, but I think
we're reaching the limit of what's manageable on a discussion list.
The leading candidate is Gossamer Forum.

<http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/index.htm>

One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail
subcriptions, which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer. I'd
like to hear some feedback on this move, especially if anyone has
experience with this specific product.

Thanks,

dean

Kevin O. Lepard
2004-11-26, 13:07
>One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail
>subcriptions, which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.

That would be ok with me. I like seeing the messages in my email and
don't generally take the time to hit a forum every day. If I could
get the content of the forum emailed to me in an organized fashion,
that would be ok.

Kevin
--
Kevin O. Lepard
kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net

Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

kdf
2004-11-26, 13:44
Quoting dean blackketter <dean (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com>:


> <http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/index.htm>
>
> One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail
> subcriptions, which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer. I'd
> like to hear some feedback on this move, especially if anyone has
> experience with this specific product.

If it helps you deal with your flooding inbox, that's enough for me. It seems
nice enough as forum software goes. I didn't find anything about recieving
individual emails, which is a down side for me. I happen to keep my email open
already so it fits my workflow to answer each mail as one of many emails.
Having another page open to keep up to speed on the forum would not fit quite
as well. However, plenty of other people are capable of responding if I don't
get to it, even more pleasantly than I ;)

I'll be around in one form or another no matter where it goes, anyway. Though,
I do plan to take a break initially just to wade out the inevitable firestorm
of upset ppl who didn't bother to say their peace before a decision was made :)

-kdf

Graham Ridgway at home
2004-11-26, 13:56
Haven't had experience of it specifically, but going forum based would be a
brilliant idea.
Graham
----- Original Message -----
From: "dean blackketter" <dean (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: [slim] Discussion list overload and Gossamer Forum


> Hi Folks,
>
> I'd like to get some feedback from folks on the list about the volume of
> mail on this discussion list.
>
> Despite doing my best to configure my mailer, I'm feeling overwhelmed by
> the volume of messages. The vast majority of the traffic is great, but we
> may be reaching the breaking point on the list.
>
> One would be to split the list into multiple smaller lists, but I fear
> that this would fragment the community too much.
>
> Personally, I prefer mailing lists to web-based forums, but I think we're
> reaching the limit of what's manageable on a discussion list. The leading
> candidate is Gossamer Forum.
>
> <http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/index.htm>
>
> One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
> which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer. I'd like to hear some
> feedback on this move, especially if anyone has experience with this
> specific product.
>
> Thanks,
>
> dean
>
>

Jack Coates
2004-11-26, 14:24
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'd like to get some feedback from folks on the list about the volume
> of mail on this discussion list.
>
> Despite doing my best to configure my mailer, I'm feeling overwhelmed
> by the volume of messages. The vast majority of the traffic is great,
> but we may be reaching the breaking point on the list.
>
> One would be to split the list into multiple smaller lists, but I fear
> that this would fragment the community too much.
>

Or worse, wouldn't fragment the community at all -- the result would
probably be very little reduction of traffic in discuss, despite creation
of audiophile/plugin/performance/&c lists.

> Personally, I prefer mailing lists to web-based forums, but I think
> we're reaching the limit of what's manageable on a discussion list.
> The leading candidate is Gossamer Forum.
>
> <http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/index.htm>
>
> One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail
> subcriptions, which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer. I'd
> like to hear some feedback on this move, especially if anyone has
> experience with this specific product.
>

I agree this list's traffic is going beyond what I have interest in
following. That said, I expect that a transition to forum mode would kill
what's left of my participation in it, even with an emailed index.

Perhaps a better solution would be to not read the mails that are on
subjects you're not interested in? Certainly a lower investment in time
than configuring a new forum system.

--
Jack At Monkeynoodle.Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"Believe what you're told; there'd be chaos if everyone thought for
themselves." -- Top Dog hotdog stand, Berkeley, CA

Robin Bowes
2004-11-26, 14:32
dean blackketter wrote:
>
> I'd like to get some feedback from folks on the list about the volume of
> mail on this discussion list.
>
> Despite doing my best to configure my mailer, I'm feeling overwhelmed by
> the volume of messages. The vast majority of the traffic is great, but
> we may be reaching the breaking point on the list.
>
> One would be to split the list into multiple smaller lists, but I fear
> that this would fragment the community too much.
>
> Personally, I prefer mailing lists to web-based forums, but I think
> we're reaching the limit of what's manageable on a discussion list. The
> leading candidate is Gossamer Forum.
>
> <http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/index.htm>
>
> One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail
> subcriptions, which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer. I'd
> like to hear some feedback on this move, especially if anyone has
> experience with this specific product.

Dean,

I would much prefer to remain with the mailing list format.

If you must use a forum, punBB [1] is small and fast, though it uses php
and I guess slimdevices are a bit of a perl shop.

[1] http://www.punbb.org/

R.
--
http://robinbowes.com

Jim
2004-11-26, 14:43
dean blackketter wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'd like to get some feedback from folks on the list about the volume of
> mail on this discussion list.
>
> Despite doing my best to configure my mailer, I'm feeling overwhelmed by
> the volume of messages. The vast majority of the traffic is great, but
> we may be reaching the breaking point on the list.
>
> One would be to split the list into multiple smaller lists, but I fear
> that this would fragment the community too much.
>
> Personally, I prefer mailing lists to web-based forums, but I think
> we're reaching the limit of what's manageable on a discussion list. The
> leading candidate is Gossamer Forum.
>
> <http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/index.htm>
>
> One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail
> subcriptions, which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer. I'd
> like to hear some feedback on this move, especially if anyone has
> experience with this specific product.

I find that gmane manages my interface to the list without issue on a
platform that's meant to manage this kind of thing (NNTP, that is). The
only thing I like less than raw email lists are web forums.

I would vote "no" to moving to a web forum, but if I'm outvoted I'll cope.

J

Daniel Cohen
2004-11-26, 15:02
On 26/11/04 at 2:43 pm -0700, Jim wrote
>I would vote "no" to moving to a web forum, but if I'm outvoted I'll cope.

Ditto
--
Daniel Cohen

Kevin Weller
2004-11-26, 16:24
I'm quite new here so this is presumptuous but given a choice I'd
prefer to stick with email. As it is now everything arrives on my PC
automatically and is nicely threaded. I'd have to visit a forum and an
email digest wouldn't be threaded.

Kevin

Stephen Nesbitt
2004-11-26, 18:20
On Friday 26 November 2004 11:39, dean blackketter wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'd like to get some feedback from folks on the list about the volume
> of mail on this discussion list.
I would vote no (from a user's point of view).

As it stands my mailing list will break stuff into threads making it easy for
me to quickly review the messages.

A digest would force me to review manually a large number of messages and
would make any kind of grouping impossible - ick.

I'm not as likely to review a forum as I am a mailing list.

-steve

Malcolm Miles
2004-11-26, 21:43
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:43:06 -0700, Jim wrote:

> I would vote "no" to moving to a web forum, but if I'm outvoted I'll cope.

I also vote "no" to a Web forum.

--
Best wishes,
Malcolm

d-mode
2004-11-26, 23:35
Email is always best - I like the delivery. I just know I will never GO to
a forum...

Andrew

Stephen Ward
2004-11-27, 00:06
Likewise...
--
- $.

Stephen R Ward
<srward (AT) srward (DOT) com>
-------------------------------------------------------------
Drive carefully.
It's not only cars that can be recalled by their maker.

On 27 Nov 2004, at 06:35, d-mode wrote:

> Email is always best - I like the delivery. I just know I will never
> GO to a forum...
>
> Andrew
>
>

Philip Meyer
2004-11-27, 02:54
I would much prefer to stick with the email mailing list(s).

I like to keep track of what mail I have read. I use Forte Agent as a mail client, and find the current level of traffic manageable. The mail is threaded.

I often dip into my mails, rather than having a few large reading sessions a week. I know what I have left to read, as things are marked accordingly, and things I don't need to read about I can easily ignore. I've set up rules to immediately ignore anything about iTunes, Mac and Linux, for example.

If the forum software can only mail daily digests, that means no threading. Forums generally only have one level of threading too. You have a main post, followed by lots of sequential messages in the thread, rather than replies to individual messages. It also means we have to scan through the whole days info in one reading, and no filtering can be done.

There's often a lot of overhead with forum postings - avatars, signatures, html, etc, it all makes for slower reading, IMO.

Please stick with good old plain emails!

Phil

Anthony James
2004-11-27, 03:27
I'm only just this moment posted a comment on this on another thread.
Personally i WOULD be in favour of a forum as i find it difficult at
present to track down answers to questions that i know must have been
answered before. I use
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14
and find it very effective but i've no idea what they're using at the back end.

I also frequent www.singletrackworld.com whose forum is based on the
open source (which would fit with the slim ethos) phorum software.
http://phorum.org/
One of the benefits is the search function which will allow you to
save a search as a bookmark which makes it very easy to keep up with a
particular topic of interest even if you've not visited for a while.

Finally, if we are to stay with a i'm using Gmail solely for this
list and find it works very well since it threads replies properly and
allows searching. If anyone hasn't tried gmail i'd recommend it - the
web interface is VERY close to a desktop mail application and it can
be left running in the background. I've got 6 accounts to give people
at the moment if anyone wants one.

Robin Bowes
2004-11-27, 03:38
Anthony James wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:57:37 -0800, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com>
wrote:
>
>>Quoting Michael Herger <slim (AT) herger (DOT) net>:
>>
>>>Does anybody know whether there is some "headless" mode for
MusicMagic? Or
>>>can I have SlimServer fetch the list from another machine? My server is
>>>running Linux in text-only mode. I'd have to run MMM on my local
machine.

> If it's OK to use this thread as a bit of a Q&A/FAQ for a moment (I
> have to say that in many ways a forum might work better than this list
> - using GMail i get the replies threaded but in a pop client I found
> things very difficult to follow and gmame is not the best for
> searching.)

Anthony,

I'm not sure which thread you replied to but it appeared in my MUA in
the wrong one - I've "corrected" this by replying to Dean's original post.

i used to use Outlook for reading mail and found that it's lack of
threading was a major problem in reading list mail.

I've since switched to using Mozilla Thunderbird which has excellent
threading support. It makes following discussions much easier. I
recommend giving it a go.

> People have talked about 'headless' mode for applications - what is meant

Sorry, not sure. For servers, it means running without
monitor/keyboard/mouse.

R.
--
http://robinbowes.com

bobv
2004-11-27, 05:58
Jim wrote:
> I find that gmane manages my interface to the list without issue on a
> platform that's meant to manage this kind of thing (NNTP, that is). The
> only thing I like less than raw email lists are web forums.
>
> I would vote "no" to moving to a web forum, but if I'm outvoted I'll cope.

Same here.

-bob

Joe Hartley
2004-11-27, 06:06
On Friday 26 November 2004 11:39, dean blackketter wrote:
> > I'd like to get some feedback from folks on the list about the volume
> > of mail on this discussion list.

The volume is high, but it's still my preferred way of participating.
I have a threaded mail program (sylpheed for Linux - it's the best
email client I've used in 25 years of dealing with email) and a filter
which puts all the list mail into a separate folder. Couldn't be
easier.

I wouldn't be as likely to visit a web forum, and while a digest
isn't a bad option for people, please don't change the current format.

--
================================================== ====================
Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh (AT) brainiac (DOT) com
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

Virr
2004-11-27, 09:37
Dean,

Personally I much prefer this list as it is. It can be a bit of
email, but I can easily skip threads and messages I'm not interested
in.

I find that I generally don't like taking part in web forums. They
take yet another login if you want to post (I have more than I need as
it is). Lengthy discussions are harder to follow as it is easy to miss
the newest addition, or if read part of the thread and come back later
to finish it. At best you have to load individual threads. It is
harder to store useful information (in mail it doesn't go away until I
delete it).

I only took a quick look over the link you included. If I can only
get a digest of the whole days messages, it isn't very useful to me.
Currently I filter all slim messages into a separate folder, and then
my email client puts them in threads (Mail.app on Mac OS X 10.3x) A
digest wont be threaded. Having individual messages threaded is the
biggest advantage, and only way I can deal with the amount of messages
I get.

Overall I would prefer the email list to remain and email list.

Darren Cole

On Nov 26, 2004, at 11:39, dean blackketter wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'd like to get some feedback from folks on the list about the volume
> of mail on this discussion list.
>
> Despite doing my best to configure my mailer, I'm feeling overwhelmed
> by the volume of messages. The vast majority of the traffic is great,
> but we may be reaching the breaking point on the list.
>
> One would be to split the list into multiple smaller lists, but I fear
> that this would fragment the community too much.
>
> Personally, I prefer mailing lists to web-based forums, but I think
> we're reaching the limit of what's manageable on a discussion list.
> The leading candidate is Gossamer Forum.
>
> <http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/index.htm>
>
> One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail
> subcriptions, which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer. I'd
> like to hear some feedback on this move, especially if anyone has
> experience with this specific product.
>
> Thanks,
>
> dean
>
>

Jules Taplin
2004-11-27, 10:48
Personally... I'd rather leave them as a mailing list.

The volume is getting large... but my fix for that is simply not to read
all the content. I scan rapidly up through the lists, not reading all of
the dull items, and paying particular attention to anything in my sphere
of activity (AlienBBC). All slim related mail goes to the same folder...
so that means I can rapidly and easily answer both direct feedback
queries, and mailing-list items, without looking on both a web-based
environment, and clearing my home mail too.

But... either way... I'm sure I'll manage. ;)


-- Jules


Stephen Ward wrote:

> Likewise...
> -- - $.
>
> Stephen R Ward
> <srward (AT) srward (DOT) com>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Drive carefully.
> It's not only cars that can be recalled by their maker.
>
> On 27 Nov 2004, at 06:35, d-mode wrote:
>
>> Email is always best - I like the delivery. I just know I will never
>> GO to a forum...
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>

BigHam
2004-11-27, 12:05
I don't understand all these emails stating they don't want to goto a
web forum... you won't have to.

One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.

One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.

One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.

One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.

One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.

One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of dean blackketter
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:40 PM
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] Discussion list overload and Gossamer Forum
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'd like to get some feedback from folks on the list about the volume of
> mail on this discussion list.
>
> Despite doing my best to configure my mailer, I'm feeling overwhelmed by the
> volume of messages. The vast majority of the traffic is great, but we may
> be reaching the breaking point on the list.
>
> One would be to split the list into multiple smaller lists, but I fear that
> this would fragment the community too much.
>
> Personally, I prefer mailing lists to web-based forums, but I think we're
> reaching the limit of what's manageable on a discussion list.
> The leading candidate is Gossamer Forum.
>
> <http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/gforum/index.htm>
>
> One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
> which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer. I'd like to hear some
> feedback on this move, especially if anyone has experience with this
> specific product.
>
> Thanks,
>
> dean
>
>
>
>

JJ
2004-11-27, 12:36
Hi all. I'm new to the mailing list, so I've missed the bulk of this
discussion.

A suggestion that would probably solve the problem for all those who
prefer a web forum is to install forum software that will take a mailing
list and turn it into a threaded forum. You subscribe an email address of
the forum software to the mailing list. It takes any incoming list
messages and automatically posts them to the forum. And all posts made
within the forum are emailed to the list.

You have the best of both worlds. Users can use either or both methods of
reading and posting to discussions.

I believe there was another thought of splitting the list into different
subject areas. I can't really comment on the need for that yet, but I
will say I'm on some technical mailing lists that get several hundred
messages per day and I don't find dealing with the volume difficult.
Needless to say you don't have to read every message.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jules Taplin" <slim-discuss (AT) ourhouse (DOT) org.uk>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:48 AM
Subject: [slim] Discussion list overload and Gossamer Forum


> Personally... I'd rather leave them as a mailing list.
>
> The volume is getting large... but my fix for that is simply not to read
> all the content. I scan rapidly up through the lists, not reading all of
> the dull items, and paying particular attention to anything in my sphere
> of activity (AlienBBC). All slim related mail goes to the same folder...
> so that means I can rapidly and easily answer both direct feedback
> queries, and mailing-list items, without looking on both a web-based
> environment, and clearing my home mail too.
>
> But... either way... I'm sure I'll manage. ;)

Roy M. Silvernail
2004-11-27, 12:38
Virr wrote:

> Dean,
>
> Personally I much prefer this list as it is. It can be a bit of
> email, but I can easily skip threads and messages I'm not interested in.

I must agree. But I realize that some people like web forums. The
killer for me is the digest-only email summary. If the forum could be
set up to echo individual items (and ideally, accept emailed responses),
it would work better for me. I rely heavily on threaded email display
(Thunderbird does this well). Second choice would be NNTP (and I have
used the gmane server several times, so this is already in place). But
moving solely to a web forum will definitely put a dent in my participation

> I find that I generally don't like taking part in web forums.
> They take yet another login if you want to post (I have more than I
> need as it is). Lengthy discussions are harder to follow as it is
> easy to miss the newest addition, or if read part of the thread and
> come back later to finish it. At best you have to load individual
> threads. It is harder to store useful information (in mail it doesn't
> go away until I delete it).

Exactly. I have yet to see a web forum with fine-grained management of
read items and Gossamer is no exception. Visit a thread and everything
up to the latest post is considered read.

I have to agree with others in this thread that if the volume of
messages is getting unmanageable for someone, it's probably a client
issue. A web forum would really be a client change, but one that we'd
all have to make.

--
Roy M. Silvernail is roy (AT) rant-central (DOT) com, and you're not
"It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT
SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss
http://www.rant-central.com

Daniel Cohen
2004-11-27, 12:44
On 27/11/04 at 11:05 am -0800, BigHam wrote
> don't understand all these emails stating they don't want to goto a
>web forum... you won't have to.
>
>One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
>which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.

But I don't want daily digests, I want individual messages. Some
email programs can split digests into messages for one, but not all
can.

But I don't want daily digests, I want individual messages. Some
email programs can split digests into messages for one, but not all
can.

But I don't want daily digests, I want individual messages. Some
email programs can split digests into messages for one, but not all
can.

(etc, etc)
--
Daniel Cohen

kdf
2004-11-27, 12:47
Quoting BigHam <jasonbigham (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:

> I don't understand all these emails stating they don't want to goto a
> web forum... you won't have to.
>
> One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail subcriptions,
> which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.
>

which is fab for those who like digests once a day. I like being able to reply
and not have to wait a day for the discussion to continue. I also expect daily
digests would cause more repitition as people respond during the day, not aware
that the answer has already been given. of course, some people like repetition
;)

What I dont understand is why it seems to hard to find a good forum application
that offers the ability to have individual emails sent and recieved as well.
Maybe this is an option in Gossamer and I just haven't seen it yet.

cheers,
kdf

mherger
2004-11-27, 14:54
Me too.

> On 26/11/04 at 2:43 pm -0700, Jim wrote
>> I would vote "no" to moving to a web forum, but if I'm outvoted I'll
>> cope.
>
> Ditto



--

Michael

-----------------------------------------------------------
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http://www.herger.net/photo - mein kleines Photoalbum

Jack Coates
2004-11-27, 17:10
> Hi all. I'm new to the mailing list, so I've missed the bulk of this
> discussion.
>
> A suggestion that would probably solve the problem for all those who
> prefer a web forum is to install forum software that will take a mailing
> list and turn it into a threaded forum. You subscribe an email address of
> the forum software to the mailing list. It takes any incoming list
> messages and automatically posts them to the forum. And all posts made
> within the forum are emailed to the list.
>
> You have the best of both worlds. Users can use either or both methods of
> reading and posting to discussions.
>

that would be really cool -- any examples?
--
Jack At Monkeynoodle.Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"Believe what you're told; there'd be chaos if everyone thought for
themselves." -- Top Dog hotdog stand, Berkeley, CA

JJ
2004-11-28, 00:59
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Coates" <jack (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:10 PM
Subject: [slim] Discussion list overload and Gossamer Forum


>> Hi all. I'm new to the mailing list, so I've missed the bulk of this
>> discussion.
>>
>> A suggestion that would probably solve the problem for all those who
>> prefer a web forum is to install forum software that will take a
>> mailing
>> list and turn it into a threaded forum. You subscribe an email address
>> of
>> the forum software to the mailing list. It takes any incoming list
>> messages and automatically posts them to the forum. And all posts made
>> within the forum are emailed to the list.
>>
>> You have the best of both worlds. Users can use either or both methods
>> of
>> reading and posting to discussions.
>>
>
> that would be really cool -- any examples?


I've been on several mailing lists that can operate like this, but I'm not
terribly familiar with the software that they run.

One package that I'm aware of, however, is DigiPosts:

http://www.digiposts.com/

John Gorst
2004-11-28, 05:23
> I find that gmane manages my interface to the list without issue on a
> platform that's meant to manage this kind of thing (NNTP, that is). The
> only thing I like less than raw email lists are web forums.
>
> I would vote "no" to moving to a web forum, but if I'm outvoted I'll cope.

I agree to, NNTP from gmane is much better.

Could we not increase the number of forums as suggested, remain with the
current mailing system, let people who use gmane continue with this.
Then provide a web frontend for reading/posting to the mailing list?

Daryle A. Tilroe
2004-11-28, 07:53
dean blackketter wrote:

> Despite doing my best to configure my mailer, I'm feeling overwhelmed by
> the volume of messages. The vast majority of the traffic is great, but
> we may be reaching the breaking point on the list.

Have you considered just filtering [slim] traffic into it's own
folder to deal with at your convenience. I, and I'm sure others,
do this with procmail for all the lists we subscribe to. Keeps
everything nice and organized and nothing but personally addressed
stuff hits my inbox.

--
Daryle A. Tilroe

Daryle A. Tilroe
2004-11-28, 08:46
Daniel Cohen wrote:

> On 27/11/04 at 11:05 am -0800, BigHam wrote
>
>> don't understand all these emails stating they don't want to goto a
>> web forum... you won't have to.
>>
>> One nice feature of Gossamer Forums is that it allows e-mail
>> subcriptions,
>> which lets folks get daily digests if they prefer.
>
>
> But I don't want daily digests, I want individual messages. Some email
> programs can split digests into messages for one, but not all can.
>
> (etc, etc)

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto, etc... :-)

--
Daryle A. Tilroe

Niek Jongerius
2004-11-28, 09:02
My EUR 0.02 on this...

I would prefer to keep the email list as is. I am one of those
people stuck in the middle ages (as my boss would tell me) - I
still prefer a character terminal to do most of my work (don't
even dare try take my HP 700/60 away from me).

However, I can see that the load of the list can overwhelm others
(especially newcomers). Isn't there a way to do both? I haven't
much experience with web-based forums, but I can't imagine that
firing off a separate email to the email-diehards for each entry
in the forum is an unheard-of feature in forum software. The other
way round should also be possible.

Also, I would hate to see some contributors be less productive (or
even leave altogether).

In short, my vote is for keeping the list, or getting some forum SW
that can maintain an email feed both ways.

Regards, Niek.

Steve Baumgarten
2004-11-28, 10:55
> Have you considered just filtering [slim] traffic into it's own
> folder to deal with at your convenience. I, and I'm sure others,
> do this with procmail for all the lists we subscribe to. Keeps
> everything nice and organized and nothing but personally addressed
> stuff hits my inbox.

This is how I have things set up. I would imagine that mixing the
Slimdevices mailing list traffic in with all your other personal mail
would be somewhat overwhelming; having it all reside in its own folder,
nicely threaded, seems a sensible first step in managing volume.

SBB

Steve Baumgarten
2004-11-28, 11:02
> I agree to, NNTP from gmane is much better.

Yes, I'd be interested in finding out how a web-based forum is better or
more functional than pointing a decent news reader (e.g., Agent or Mozilla
Thunderbird or even Outlook Express for that matter) at news.gmane.org and
reading and posting to the Slimdevices mailing lists that way.

Do that and you reduce the Slimdevices email volume to zero; you have
threading and history and search capabilities; and people who prefer to
participate in the list via email can continue to do so, receiving
messages either individually or as part of multi-message digests, as they
prefer.

Seems the best of all worlds. As long as the generous people at gmane.org
are making this service available, why not take advantage of it?

As a test, I just pointed Thunderbird at news.gmane.org. It took about 30
seconds to walk through the configuration wizard and subscribe to the
Slimdevices newsgroups. At that point I saw in my newsreader pretty much
exactly what I was looking at in my mailbox (the most recent few hundred
messages, threaded). Quite simple, and it may be just what people who are
feeling overwhelmed by mailing list traffic are looking for.

SBB

Steve Baumgarten
2004-11-28, 11:08
> I have to agree with others in this thread that if the volume of
> messages is getting unmanageable for someone, it's probably a client
> issue. A web forum would really be a client change, but one that we'd
> all have to make.

A quick last word from me, since I've already mentioned news.gmane.org in
another posting. For what it's worth, I'm voting to keep the mailing list
as is.

And just to keep this from being entirely a "me too" post: this list (in
whatever form it ultimately takes) is one of the best things about the
Squeezebox and Slimdevices generally. Knowing that help is out there if
you need it; that people are actively working on improvements and tweaks;
that the user community and the core developers at Slimdevices are always
open to suggestions -- it's just huge, and I'm always glad to be a part of
it, even if mostly as a reader of this list.

SBB

Jules Taplin
2004-11-28, 11:38
Actually... mixing slimdevices traffic and my personal mail is _EXACTLY_
what I do with it, for what it's worth. Given that tracking software
products is about all I do with this domain, it's either mailing list
mail, or somebody talking to me about a product that's to do with a list ;)

Interestingly... I can't see how I'd convert that to a forum at all. One
of the good things about mail is that you can go between on-list,
off-list, and other-list items, and track conversations between all
three, in a way that would be completely impossible on a set of threaded
forums.


-- Jules

Steve Baumgarten wrote:

>>Have you considered just filtering [slim] traffic into it's own
>>folder to deal with at your convenience. I, and I'm sure others,
>>do this with procmail for all the lists we subscribe to. Keeps
>>everything nice and organized and nothing but personally addressed
>>stuff hits my inbox.
>>
>>
>
>This is how I have things set up. I would imagine that mixing the
>Slimdevices mailing list traffic in with all your other personal mail
>would be somewhat overwhelming; having it all reside in its own folder,
>nicely threaded, seems a sensible first step in managing volume.
>
>SBB
>
>
>

dean
2004-11-29, 10:37
Thanks for all the feedback on this topic. It's clear that we
shouldn't switch to a web-based forum unless there's two-way e-mail
access as well.

It may be possible to do this with Gossamer Forum, which already can
accept e-mail submissions (they've got a neat example here of _lots_ of
email piped into their forum system:

http://gossamer-threads.com/lists/

We'll continue looking into this. Thanks!

-dean

John Gorst
2004-11-29, 15:16
dean blackketter wrote:
> Thanks for all the feedback on this topic. It's clear that we shouldn't
> switch to a web-based forum unless there's two-way e-mail access as well.
>
> It may be possible to do this with Gossamer Forum, which already can
> accept e-mail submissions (they've got a neat example here of _lots_ of
> email piped into their forum system:
>
> http://gossamer-threads.com/lists/
>
> We'll continue looking into this. Thanks!

I did a search about on the gossamer website and apparently there is a
NNTP gateway plugin being/been developed....