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RioTubes
2013-12-28, 09:31
I'm thinking about purchasing one of these apps, and want to know if iPeng or SqueezePad can integrate/control MOG or Spotify, similar to how Sonos can. Thanks for you help!

bluegaspode
2013-12-28, 10:38
I'm thinking about purchasing one of these apps, and want to know if iPeng or SqueezePad can integrate/control MOG or Spotify, similar to how Sonos can. Thanks for you help!

Both Apps present the menus with the same content as they are shown on your Squeezeboxes.

RioTubes
2013-12-28, 11:56
Thanks! Presently, I don't have a SB setup. Is there a MOG (or Spotify) search field on the iPeng/SqueezePad app? Can one save MOG tracks or albums to a iPeng que or playlist? Sorry for the rudimentary questions.

mherger
2013-12-28, 12:11
Don't miss this thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100477

pippin
2013-12-28, 12:35
Thanks! Presently, I don't have a SB setup. Is there a MOG (or Spotify) search field on the iPeng/SqueezePad app? Can one save MOG tracks or albums to a iPeng que or playlist? Sorry for the rudimentary questions.

Yes, that works (with both Apps). The one thing that does NOT work is saving stuff as Spotify playlists but you can have mixed playlists with music from all kinds of music and save them in Logitech Media Server for later use.

You can queue up albums and songs just as you like.

If you asked this question on facebook, too, then the additional answer would be that yes, also streaming on from the iPad through AirPlay will work. The only limitations are that

a) The playback functionality is an additional In-App-Purchase (in both iPeng and SqueezePad)
b) For Spotify you will need the "3rd Party Spotify plugin" for LMS. It can be installed through "Settings->Plugins" in the LMS web interface and has a long support thread here under "3rd party software".

Also, don't expect magic if it comes to synchronization with Squeezeboxes if you use AirPlay. It's gotten better in iPeng since we included automatic latency compensation but as of my experience it's still not good enough to run two different devices in the same room. It might be OK in different rooms, though.

If you want to know more about iPeng 7 then have a look at this thread, too
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100478-Leak-iOS-7

Or, of course, my blog
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/twitter-discuss-it-all/

RioTubes
2013-12-28, 16:35
Thanks so much! Sounds like I can accomplish what I want with iPeng!

RioTubes
2013-12-31, 12:41
Yes, that works (with both Apps). The one thing that does NOT work is saving stuff as Spotify playlists but you can have mixed playlists with music from all kinds of music and save them in Logitech Media Server for later use.

You can queue up albums and songs just as you like.

If you asked this question on facebook, too, then the additional answer would be that yes, also streaming on from the iPad through AirPlay will work. The only limitations are that

a) The playback functionality is an additional In-App-Purchase (in both iPeng and SqueezePad)
b) For Spotify you will need the "3rd Party Spotify plugin" for LMS. It can be installed through "Settings->Plugins" in the LMS web interface and has a long support thread here under "3rd party software".

Also, don't expect magic if it comes to synchronization with Squeezeboxes if you use AirPlay. It's gotten better in iPeng since we included automatic latency compensation but as of my experience it's still not good enough to run two different devices in the same room. It might be OK in different rooms, though.

If you want to know more about iPeng 7 then have a look at this thread, too
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100478-Leak-iOS-7

Or, of course, my blog
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/twitter-discuss-it-all/

So I am in AppStore, and wondering which version to download for use with iPad: iPeng for iPad or iPeng 7?

I don't have any SB units running at this time.
I plan to use iPeng-player via in-app purchase and try to stream to the NAD D7050 via aptX, AirPlay or docked iPad (if wireless does not work well).

Thanks for the feedback

Steve Baumgarten
2013-12-31, 13:07
I believe iPeng 7 is a universal app, so if you're running iOS 7 that's the way to go. It's great as a controller and even better when you add the in-app playback to turn it into a full fledged Squeezebox player.

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> On Dec 31, 2013, at 2:41 PM, RioTubes <RioTubes.678afz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> pippin wrote:
>> Yes, that works (with both Apps). The one thing that does NOT work is
>> saving stuff as Spotify playlists but you can have mixed playlists with
>> music from all kinds of music and save them in Logitech Media Server for
>> later use.
>>
>> You can queue up albums and songs just as you like.
>>
>> If you asked this question on facebook, too, then the additional answer
>> would be that yes, also streaming on from the iPad through AirPlay will
>> work. The only limitations are that
>>
>> a) The playback functionality is an additional In-App-Purchase (in both
>> iPeng and SqueezePad)
>> b) For Spotify you will need the "3rd Party Spotify plugin" for LMS. It
>> can be installed through "Settings->Plugins" in the LMS web interface
>> and has a long support thread here under "3rd party software".
>>
>> Also, don't expect magic if it comes to synchronization with
>> Squeezeboxes if you use AirPlay. It's gotten better in iPeng since we
>> included automatic latency compensation but as of my experience it's
>> still not good enough to run two different devices in the same room. It
>> might be OK in different rooms, though.
>>
>> If you want to know more about iPeng 7 then have a look at this thread,
>> too
>> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100478-Leak-iOS-7
>>
>> Or, of course, my blog
>> http://penguinlovesmusic.de/twitter-discuss-it-all/
>
> So I am in AppStore, and wondering which version to download for use
> with iPad: iPeng for iPad or iPeng 7?
>
> I don't have any SB units running at this time.
> I plan to use iPeng-player via in-app purchase and try to stream to the
> NAD D7050 via aptX, AirPlay or docked iPad (if wireless does not work
> well).
>
> Thanks for the feedback
>
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SamS
2013-12-31, 13:08
So I am in AppStore, and wondering which version to download for use with iPad: iPeng for iPad or iPeng 7?

I don't have any SB units running at this time.
I plan to use iPeng-player via in-app purchase and try to stream to the NAD D7050 via aptX, AirPlay or docked iPad (if wireless does not work well).

Thanks for the feedback

You want iPeng 7. It is the latest version, and compatible with both iPhone/iPad.

pippin
2013-12-31, 20:18
iPeng 7. It's cheaper and newer.
Only exception: you still have an iPad one limited to iOS5

Grumpy Bob
2014-01-01, 00:08
iPeng 7. It's cheaper and newer.
Only exception: you still have an iPad one limited to iOS5

I use both Squeezepad and iPeng as controllers and players. On my iPad 3, I prefer iPeng 7 - it has a lovely clean interface. on my old iPad 1, where the choice is between the older iPeng and Squeezepad, I much prefer Squeezepad, as I think it's UI is better and easier to use. But of course, all three work fine for my purposes.

Robert

RioTubes
2014-01-18, 08:25
Can iPeng 7 Player (in app purchase) using iPad Air stream 24/48 or 24/96 using iPad usb cable to a 24/96 capable receiver with iDevice dock source input?

pippin
2014-01-18, 10:14
What do you mean by "input"?
iPeng can play 24/96, and it will also output 24/96 through USB if (and that's a big if) your dock supports it.

With old iPads you had to use the Camera Connection Kit for this, with new ones you need CCK or a dock that natively supports the Lightning connector. I've seen a few (Zeppelin Air seem to be one, for example) recently but they are still pretty rare.

Old docks will make the iPad (not iPeng) downsample the audio to 24/48.
Here are some details although they are outdated WRT the Lightning connector.
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2012/08/14/ipeng-goes-audiophile/

Lightning connector has had a slow start, for the first year there have literally been no real Lightning docs at all. Which is a bit of a pity in this case because with iOS 7 even iPhone now supports 24/96 with such a dock.

RioTubes
2014-01-20, 10:03
iPeng can play 24/96, and it will also output 24/96 through USB if (and that's a big if) your dock supports it.


Thanks, this is what I was after.

One other Q. My understanding is that iPad Air (iOS 7) does not support AptX Bluetooth. Is hardware required, or does iPeng 7 Player support AptX? Ultimately, I plan to stream to my iPad Air from server via LMS/iPeng and then stream from iPad to receiver via AirPlay and/or aptX (the receiver supports both).

Regarding the exchange above regarding the dock, my understanding is that my receiver (NAD D 7050) is capable of 24/96 via its USB "dock" (type A USB connector) from iPad Air.

pippin
2014-01-20, 10:22
My understanding is that iPad Air (iOS 7) does not support AptX Bluetooth. Is hardware required, or does iPeng 7 Player support AptX?

Neither. The Bluetooth stack needs to support the codec. Apps can't change Apple's Bluetooth stack so if iPad doesn't support the codec, you can't use it.



Ultimately, I plan to stream to my iPad Air from server via LMS/iPeng and then stream from iPad to receiver via AirPlay and/or aptX (the receiver supports both).

Don't know about AptX but please be aware that AirPlay only supports 16/48 so if you use AirPlay, iOS will downsample your stream to that (the 16 bit don't hurt as much as with other transmissions because volume will be sent separately). The stream uses lossless ALAC.



Regarding the exchange above regarding the dock, my understanding is that my receiver (NAD D 7050) is capable of 24/96 via its USB "dock" (type A USB connector) from iPad Air.
Well, the iPad doesn't have a USB port so you need a Lightning-to-USB adaptor. Also, the iPad has to act as a USB host. Lightning generally supports that but whether your DAC is compatible is something I don't know. AFAIK the DAC needs to be part of Apple's MFI program for that.

With the old iPads you could use the CCK but I am not sure that will still work to full resolution (it might, I just don't know) since you would put up quite an adapter stack (Lightning->30-Pin->USB).

RioTubes
2014-01-20, 11:11
AirPlay only supports 16/48 so if you use AirPlay, iOS will downsample your stream to that (the 16 bit don't hurt as much as with other transmissions because volume will be sent separately). The stream uses lossless ALAC.

OK, most of my library is 16/44 so this will work.



Well, the iPad doesn't have a USB port so you need a Lightning-to-USB adaptor. Also, the iPad has to act as a USB host. Lightning generally supports that but whether your DAC is compatible is something I don't know. AFAIK the DAC needs to be part of Apple's MFI program for that.

The manual says "applicable for direct playback of iOS device only. Using applicable Apple USB connector, connect your device to this input". I just assumed that the lightning cable will work since it has a USB connector on one end.

pippin
2014-01-20, 11:16
Hm, that does at least definitely sound like they are part of the MFI program.
How old is the device?

Mnyb
2014-01-20, 12:42
Ok if AirPlay only support 16/48 what does it do with 16/44.1 content ?

pippin
2014-01-20, 12:51
16/48 is the maximum, everything having higher sample rates will get downsampled.
16/44.1 will be left as it is.

That said.... If your AirPlay receiver is an AppleTV which only has an HDMI output which only supports 16/48, the 44.1 material will obviously get upsampled by the AppleTV.

RioTubes
2014-01-20, 13:42
The NAD D 7050 came out this past summer 2013. Although it's on back order, I think the iDevice dock will be one way to stream 24/96. It also is UPnP compliant. But the UPnP controllers are no iPeng! So I will use iPeng with AirPlay or the dock for 16/44 material, which is 99% of my library.

RioTubes
2014-01-26, 18:49
So the NAD D7050 arrived and I've got it working a few ways:

- with the iPad Air plugged into the D7050 Dock via stock lightning connector. LMS is installed on a win7 PC. This is the only way that I've been able to play 24/96 material (at least I'm hearing the tracks; I don't know if it's down sampling)

- using DLNA I'm controlling playback via JRemote on my iPad with a win7 PC with JRiver installed to manage the music library. This has been the most convenient method, but it doesn't want to play 24/96 material.

Now for my question related to iPeng-player. I bought this in-app purchase but can't find it in the iPeng app or LMS. Where do I find it, and how do I configure it? Ultimately, I want to use the iPad as the player so that I can stream tracks to the D7050 which is capable of AirPlay.

pippin
2014-01-26, 19:08
- with the iPad Air plugged into the D7050 Dock via stock lightning connector. LMS is installed on a win7 PC. This is the only way that I've been able to play 24/96 material (at least I'm hearing the tracks; I don't know if it's down sampling)

What do you use as a player, if it's not iPeng?



Now for my question related to iPeng-player. I bought this in-app purchase but can't find it in the iPeng app or LMS. Where do I find it, and how do I configure it? Ultimately, I want to use the iPad as the player so that I can stream tracks to the D7050 which is capable of AirPlay.
When you are connected to your LMS in iPeng it should show up as a player in the list of players. The one you get when tapping the player name (or "no player found" message) at the bottom left in iPeng 7.

Or do I misunderstand your question?

RioTubes
2014-01-26, 21:23
What do you use as a player, if it's not iPeng?

Sorry, I'm using iPeng when using the iPad Dock. I inadvertently left that out of the description.



When you are connected to your LMS in iPeng it should show up as a player in the list of players. The one you get when tapping the player name (or "no player found" message) at the bottom left in iPeng 7.

Or do I misunderstand your question?

What I didn't realize was that I needed to tap the AirPlay button on the iPad volume panel to get music to play on the NAD instead of the iPad. I got it working using iPeng (streaming to the NAD D7050 using AirPlay)! Yet, it wants to skip forward 2 tracks midway through a song (about 30 secs into the track). Recall that LMS and my music library are 100 feet away on a win7 PC. It seems to play all the way through the 2nd track once it skips, but this happened on 4 of 5 albums and select a track.

pippin
2014-01-26, 21:29
What I didn't realize was that I needed to tap the AirPlay button on the iPad volume panel to get music to play on the NAD instead of the iPad.

Ah. It's connected through AirPlay?


I got it working using iPeng (streaming to the NAD D7050 using AirPlay)! Yet, it wants to skip forward 2 tracks midway through a song (about 30 secs into the track). Recall that LMS and my music library are 100 feet away on a win7 PC. It seems to play all the way through the 2nd track once it skips, but this happened on 4 of 5 albums and select a track.
Hm. All of that bridged through WiFi? That could cause quite a bit of network congestion.
If both the PC and the NAD are connected through WiFi then you are having no fewer than FOUR lossless streams (PC->router, router->iPad, iPad->router (AirPlay), router->NAD (AirPlay)) going through WiFi and if that network has to cross a long range then it will probably also take a bit of a hit through weak reception.

RioTubes
2014-01-26, 21:47
Ah. It's connected through AirPlay?

Hm. All of that bridged through WiFi? That could cause quite a bit of network congestion.
If both the PC and the NAD are connected through WiFi then you are having no fewer than FOUR lossless streams (PC->router, router->iPad, iPad->router (AirPlay), router->NAD (AirPlay)) going through WiFi and if that network has to cross a long range then it will probably also take a bit of a hit through weak reception.

Yes, I'm amazed it even works! I will probably end up hard wiring the NAD back to the router. The PC is connected to the router via Ethernet which are only a few feet apart, but the NAD is a good 100 feet away. Thanks for your help!