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Beech
2013-12-23, 15:08
Hi,

Firstly let me say that when I bought into the Logitech product I did not exactly know what I was letting myself in for. However, I wanted my cd library of approx. 3000 cds to be playable from either my house or work. I work next door so it's all on one ethernet system with one router. Music files are stored on a Firewire 800 4 terabyte drive (not a great idea I know) and they are all in .aiff format. On the drive they are stored in a music folder which is divided into 26 subfolders named A, B, C etc... with each artist is the folder by last name (ie. Jeff Beck is in folder B). An older Mac Mini is the computer.

The problem with this system is that it is painfully slow to load up an album, no matter whether I use Search, or go into My Music and go to the folder I want (lets say B as I'm looking for Jeff Beck). Now I have since realised that the 4TB drive is a bad idea as it goes into sleep mode and is slow to wake. But even when it's awake, there's still an awful long wait before seeing what's in a folder. My question is - do I really need to be connected to the LMS at all? I don't feel I need the capability to play music from some other location over the internet. My understanding of LMS is that it keeps a log of your music so you can play it from remote locations. Am I correct in this?

I'd really love to get this system working properly as I love the sound from the Touch. If accessing LMS is slowing down that process I would like to avoid it.

Thanks for any advise received.

EDIT: I may be making a mistake in thinking the LMS is on the internet. Of course that's on my computer. I meant to refer to squeezebox.com or wherever the info on my library is stored. Not near the Mac mini now and I can't remember the site name.

aubuti
2013-12-23, 16:16
After you go to My Music, what do you choose next? Do you go to "Music Folder" or do you choose one of the other browse methods, such as Albums, Artists, Genres, etc.?

It sounds as if you are using "Music Folder", which is probably the slowest of browse methods, especially for someone with a lot of objects in the folder. So if you don't have the "B" folder further divided into sub-folders such as "Jeff Beck", "Beatles", etc. then you are really shooting yourself in the foot. Even if you have sub-folders for each artist in "B", some of those 26 alphabetic folders are likely to have 200+ sub-folders.

All of the other browse methods rely on the database that LMS builds, so browsing is both faster and more flexible. Maybe you're already using those and it's still too slow, but that isn't clear from your post. If you are using those methods and it's still too slow, then the issue could be an underpowered server, network latency, or something else.

EDIT: You're confusing LMS and mysqueezebox.com (aka mysb.com for those of us too lazy to type the full name in forum posts), as well as confusing what each of them does. You definitely need LMS to play your local music. And no, mysb.com does not keep a log of your music so that you can play it from remote locations. Rather, mysb.com gives you access to internet radio and online services such as Pandora, Deezer, Spotify, MOG, Rhapsody, Slacker, etc (depending on what country you live in) so that you can listen to music when your computer running LMS is switched off.

Beech
2013-12-24, 02:08
[QUOTE
It sounds as if you are using "Music Folder", which is probably the slowest of browse methods, especially for someone with a lot of objects in the folder. So if you don't have the "B" folder further divided into sub-folders such as "Jeff Beck", "Beatles", etc. then you are really shooting yourself in the foot. Even if you have sub-folders for each artist in "B", some of those 26 alphabetic folders are likely to have 200+ sub-folders.

All of the other browse methods rely on the database that LMS builds, so browsing is both faster and more flexible. Maybe you're already using those and it's still too slow, but that isn't clear from your post. If you are using those methods and it's still too slow, then the issue could be an underpowered server, network latency, or something else.

EDIT: You're confusing LMS and mysqueezebox.com (aka mysb.com for those of us too lazy to type the full name in forum posts), as well as confusing what each of them does. You definitely need LMS to play your local music. And no, mysb.com does keep a log of your music so that you can play it from remote locations. Rather, mysb.com gives you access to internet radio and online services such as Pandora, Deezer, Spotify, MOG, Rhapsody, Slacker, etc (depending on what country you live in) so that you can listen to music when your computer running LMS is switched off.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for you reply and sorry that I wasn't clear. Yes, the path to each artist would be as follows: Music (the drive name) / Music Folder / B / Jeff Beck / Name of Album. That's how I decided to do it about five years ago and I seemed like a good idea then. However, I have tried the search function to see if it was quicker and no, not really.

I'm not sure what you mean by an underpowered server but I would be prepared to try a different drive for storage. My only criteria is that it is 4TB and most importantly, low power usage.

toby10
2013-12-24, 02:31
If your files are properly tagged and organized with LMS running on a decently powered computer your Search results should be very snappy.
LMS is running on your Mac Mini, correct? 4 TB drive connected to same Mac Mini? Anything besides music files on this drive?
Mac running any other program/process besides LMS? Mac Mini is wired to router?

Mnyb
2013-12-24, 04:51
Do the aiff files have any tags ? that would enable LMS to built a proper dB when scanning and the much faster artist / album / genre menus would start working properly .
But they rely on proper metadata in the files themself .
and search to uses the dB it probably eventually go for file names when nothing else match ? Or does it even work at all ?

aubuti
2013-12-24, 05:23
Thanks for you reply and sorry that I wasn't clear. Yes, the path to each artist would be as follows: Music (the drive name) / Music Folder / B / Jeff Beck / Name of Album. That's how I decided to do it about five years ago and I seemed like a good idea then. However, I have tried the search function to see if it was quicker and no, not really.

I'm not sure what you mean by an underpowered server but I would be prepared to try a different drive for storage. My only criteria is that it is 4TB and most importantly, low power usage.
That's an excellent folder arrangement, so you're good there. Now, are the files tagged, and if so, has LMS successfully completed it's scan of your music files?

As for server power, you don't need that much, but what CPU does the mini have, how much RAM, and what else (if anything) does it do besides serve music?

Beech
2014-01-07, 14:28
Hi everyone and happy new year to you all! I'm sorry for my delayed response but over the holiday I decided to revisit my system after reading some of your comments. The very first thing I noticed was that somehow I had updated LMS to 7.7.2 I never meant that to happen as it does not work with Mac OSX 10.4. I discovered this ages ago so I guess an autoupdate must have taken place. Anyway, I'm back with 7.5.5 again and things are much faster. I also made one less folder on the music drive so now the path is:

Music drive / Alphabetically labeled folders / Artist name folders / Album name folders and with these are the .aiff files and a cue log plus a .jpeg of the artwork.

I also removed another couple of folders that contained hi-rez needledrops which I still have to decide what to do with but that's for the future.

So, there's really only two things bugging me now. One is the way the Iomega Ultramax drive takes so long to wake up. It also has a fan that never stops running. Is there a better option to this?

Also, for the life of me I can't stop LMS asking if I want to update the software. I have set the preferences to Not To Update.

By the way, Aubuti asked about my system - it's a Mac Mini running OSX 10.4.11 with a 133GHz PowerPC Processor (not exactly a Ferrari, I know). There's 1 GB of ram in it.

Thanks to all.

toby10
2014-01-08, 03:21
..... Also, for the life of me I can't stop LMS asking if I want to update the software. I have set the preferences to Not To Update..

The update it is bugging you about was already downloaded and is prompting you to install it. Only way to get rid of it now is to delete that update from the LMS update folder. Where that is on a Mac I have no idea. No future updates will be downloaded as long as you keep it set to NO updates.

Beech
2014-01-08, 05:10
The update it is bugging you about was already downloaded and is prompting you to install it. Only way to get rid of it now is to delete that update from the LMS update folder. Where that is on a Mac I have no idea. No future updates will be downloaded as long as you keep it set to NO updates.

Thanks but I have already read about this somewhere and I have searched extensively on the computer but I cannot find any update. Could you tell me the precise name to search for in case it's called something that I'm missing.

toby10
2014-01-08, 05:36
LMS update folder location depends on the OS build. Where it is on a Mac I have no idea.
Win 7 = C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\updates
Win XP = C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\updates

This might help:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Logitech_Media_Server_file_locations

lordgibbness
2014-01-08, 10:29
You can get the file locations from the main webpage

http://<name>:9000/settings/server/status.html

Scroll to the bottom, where it displays the "Cache Folder".

Beech
2014-01-17, 09:29
LMS update folder location depends on the OS build. Where it is on a Mac I have no idea.
Win 7 = C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\updates
Win XP = C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\updates

This might help:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Logitech_Media_Server_file_locations

Thanks for the link Toby but I can't see which file is the one to delete in the Mac section of that link. Would you mind showing me please. I'd hate to trash the wrong one!

toby10
2014-01-18, 03:06
No idea, never messed with Mac's. Try google search "squeezebox LMS cache folder on mac" or similar.

epoch1970
2014-01-18, 03:47
You can get the file locations from the main webpage

http://<name>:9000/settings/server/status.html

Scroll to the bottom, where it displays the "Cache Folder".

+1

See also "Remove the existing installation" on http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/8380/ on Logitech's support site for info on install directories.
From memory, what you read in the Logitech page could be a little off. It used to be that, according to your preference, the whole server install directory could be either under your home directory, or under the system's root directory. I think the following is still valid:
- If you've set the server to start as soon as you are logged-in, then "Home > Library > Caches > Squeezebox" should be the right place to find (and move away) the downloaded update
- If you've set the server as a system-wide service (it operates as soon as the mac is powered up, even if no user session is started), then I think the path will rather be "Macintosh HD > Library > Caches > Squeezebox" (assuming "Macintosh HD" as the computer's hard drive name)
And finally, the server has assumed over the years many names... If your install is old enough the last member of the path to the cache directory, here designated as "Squeezebox" could in fact read as "slimserver", "squeezebox server", "squeezecenter" and perhaps a few others ;)
From the mac, with the server running, http://localhost:9000/settings/server/status.html will tell you where the cache folder resides in your machine.

HTH

Beech
2014-01-26, 12:15
Thank you, I have found the offending software update and have deleted it. I have also replaced my original Iomega drive with a G Technology 4Tb one and it's certainly quieter - not sure if it's going to be faster as it also seems to go into "sleep" mode when not in use. Anyway, I think I now have an good stable system and I hope to enjoy listening to lots of music. Thanks to everyone who contributed to helping this happen!