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pippin
2013-12-04, 14:59
:)
Let's start with something really boring....

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Nocko!
2013-12-04, 15:09
Ok...:confused:
Give us more:rolleyes:
Nocko !

pippin
2013-12-04, 15:18
Well, there's even already some information hidden in that screen shot :)

CharlieG
2013-12-04, 15:39
Well, there's even already some information hidden in that screen shot :)

Well, I'm assuming that's a screen shot from iPad, I see the iOS 7 type font in the lettering and the back arrow.

jimbobvfr400
2013-12-04, 17:49
I'm guessing gestures for playback control?

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4

pippin
2013-12-05, 02:49
Well, no. As you can see the screen saver still has three subpages and that would conflict with using gestures for playback control. It stays around on iPhone in landscape mode but that's the only place right now.
iPeng will make massive use of gestures in other places, though, especially on iPhone.

No, the detail I mentioned here is that I finally did a long-requested feature which is to show all artists tagged for a track in the NowPlaying screen, not just the albumartist as before. :)
And then there is of course some design hint for the NowPlaying screens which is admittedly barely visible here but absolutely gorgeous on some of the other NowPlaying screens :)

CharlieG
2013-12-05, 06:48
No, the detail I mentioned here is that I finally did a long-requested feature which is to show all artists tagged for a track in the NowPlaying screen, not just the albumartist as before. :)

Wow! I can't believe I missed that...I have bothered you about this more than once in the past :)
Great job!

bluegaspode
2013-12-05, 07:20
a blurred cover in the background ... ?

pippin
2013-12-05, 07:42
Yep. Expert eyes :)

pippin
2013-12-05, 15:01
So... As we had that blur thing and Now Playing, let's show a bit more of that.

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Edit: Ok, the first try looked like it's a bad idea to upload downscaled images with tapatalk so here's a different one.

mintaudio
2013-12-06, 07:18
That's looking very nice indeed!

pippin
2013-12-06, 09:29
Thanks, that's what I'd hoped for.

However, for people who know iPeng for iPad there's of course also a functionality hint in this screen shot ;) Actually quite a significant one.

mps
2013-12-06, 10:29
Wow! You got in my most desired feature: multiple artist support. Thank you so much! I don't want to distract from this thread, but I had been holding off on making any ipeng comments just assuming it wasn't being actively worked on, so feel free to ignore if this is off-topic. One small change that would also be huge to me would be for the star rating control to allow half-stars (I find I need to set ratings from 1 to 10 instead of 1 to 5 to be at all useful). Perhaps something like JustWorks:AHSStarRating (http://just-works.blogspot.in/2012/12/ahsstarrating-for-ios.html) would "just work."

pippin
2013-12-06, 10:53
??? iPeng has seen 15 updates (Squeezebox versions, plus 4 or so for iPeng UE) only this year, how could you think it's not being worked on??

Regarding half-star ratings; that's the feature I always forget about, sorry. It's a bit complicated with determining the scale to use and I don't use them myself. I'll try to remember it for one of the first updates.

mps
2013-12-06, 12:18
??? iPeng has seen 15 updates (Squeezebox versions, plus 4 or so for iPeng UE) only this year, how could you think it's not being worked on??
I know, but they were not anywhere as big as this looks to be. I figured you were focusing hard on Ickstream, etc. and figured I should just be grateful for whatever we got. I clearly underestimated just how awesomely productive you are :)


Regarding half-star ratings; that's the feature I always forget about, sorry. It's a bit complicated with determining the scale to use and I don't use them myself. I'll try to remember it for one of the first updates.
Thanks!

pippin
2013-12-07, 02:34
However, for people who know iPeng for iPad there's of course also a functionality hint in this screen shot ;) Actually quite a significant one.

No one?

toby10
2013-12-07, 02:39
3d?

Greg Erskine
2013-12-07, 02:52
No one?

Multiple images for album cover?

pippin
2013-12-07, 02:52
3d?

Well, a bit of parallax effect but I wouldn't call that a feature. And it's not very strong, too, I'm not too fond of that effect.

But whoever's been familiar with iPeng for iPad's old playlist screen saver must see a striking difference in here....

pippin
2013-12-07, 02:56
Multiple images for album cover?

Ah, the Robbie Williams album? No, that's actually two different albums (or different versions of the same album). Since LMS still doesn't support more than one album image I can't really show more.

That said.... I completely forgot about this difference (it's not what I was looking for) but one change actually is that the current playlist will now use track artwork instead of album artwork in case both are present. So your compilation or best-of albums can now show the correct track artwork for each track. Another long asked-for change.

Mnyb
2013-12-07, 04:21
Track image :) :)

CharlieG
2013-12-07, 06:56
No one?

You can now edit from the now playing "playlist screen" instead of the dropdown?

pippin
2013-12-07, 07:02
Ah. Finally :)

Yes. All of it: drag&drop, context menu, deleting tracks.

pippin
2013-12-07, 07:15
OK, on for something new.
Playlist screen on iPhone. Changes are more subtle here.
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Plus the NowPlaying screen on iPhone. Again, smaller changes but a completely new feature :)
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CharlieG
2013-12-07, 07:19
New modern look, multiple artists displayed, track artwork, edit from the playlist screen...this looks like an awesome update! :)
Thanks pippin

CharlieG
2013-12-07, 07:25
OK, on for something new.
Playlist screen on iPhone. Changes are more subtle here.
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Is that a power button in the top left?

Plus the NowPlaying screen on iPhone. Again, smaller changes but a completely new feature :)
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And some rating (Love) for a streaming service?

ReValveiT
2013-12-07, 07:47
Oooh, can't wait for this update!

pippin
2013-12-07, 08:40
And some rating (Love) for a streaming service?

It's for last.fm. You can love any track directly unless you have TrackStat enabled (in which case the rating stars take the space of this control). Most people will probably not use _two_ rating systems in parallel but this way you can no longer only love tracks played from last.fm directly.
"star" is for Spotify and only available if you play Spotify tracks.


New modern look, multiple artists displayed, track artwork, edit from the playlist screen...this looks like an awesome update! :)
Thanks pippin

Now here we have the downside of it all:
This is not going to be an update, this is a new App.

Let's face it: there will be no new Squeezebox users out there to buy the App. iPeng has been out for 5 years now and has had over 40 free updates per version. The average iPeng user has been using the App for more than two years and a development like this is not something you do in a few weeks in your spare time.
I had to justify the development somehow and a new App was the only way to do it.

There's another aspect as well. iOS 7 is a huge change from a UI perspective and I find it almost impossible to do a non-trivial UI that works well on both iOS 7 and earlier versions.
So updating the App would have meant to leave behind all future support for older devices. I don't want to do this either.
The old iPeng versions will continue to get updates, although it's unlikely that I will port any all-new features to the old iPeng because there are a lot of fundamental changes in the underlying APIs used that will probably not allow me to easily port these parts. But especially any updates to the player functionality will go into the existing iPeng versions as well so that you can always use older devices as players.

CharlieG
2013-12-07, 09:34
Now here we have the downside of it all:
This is not going to be an update, this is a new App.

That's okay too. As you say I've been using iPeng and iPeng HD for quite a long time. I'm happy to pay for your new app (I just need to know when it will be available).

pippin
2013-12-07, 09:43
Yea, well, _that_ is something I would like to know too.
It's waiting for review at Apple. My experience with new Apps is that you have to expect it to be rejected at least once so with a little luck it'll be in the store end of next week, otherwise hopefully the week after.

epoch1970
2013-12-07, 12:02
Looks great! You have my business.
(Curious to see what the icon will look like, too.)

paulster
2013-12-07, 14:48
I've only just bought iPeng HD for iPad but it's so good on the iPad that I'll happily pay for this as well to support its continued development. I love the look of the new interface. Much more in keeping with iOS 7.

pippin
2013-12-07, 14:53
Well, for "just bought" the rule is: contact me as soon as it's out.
Btw, this will be a universal App for iPhone and iPad, not two separate Apps as before.

garym
2013-12-07, 15:10
Can't wait to buy the new app. iPeng and iPeng for iPad have been my best SB related purchases and a bargain to boot!

Mnyb
2013-12-08, 00:32
You can now edit from the now playing "playlist screen" instead of the dropdown?


Ah. Finally :)

Yes. All of it: drag&drop, context menu, deleting tracks.


Well, for "just bought" the rule is: contact me as soon as it's out.
Btw, this will be a universal App for iPhone and iPad, not two separate Apps as before.

Dang :) i got to buy a new iPad and i will soon update my company phone to ios7 .

You will probably not miss my ipad1 crash reports

pippin
2013-12-08, 04:30
It's Sunday, so let's show a bigger change today. The main menu....

I don't know how to easily show this since I don't know a simple way to make screen shots while doing drag&drop, but here's the main menu configuration and the main menu, two versions of it :)
One post to show all of the biggest changes in the iPhone UI in iPeng 7...

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mherger
2013-12-08, 04:42
I like the custom SmartMix icon :-)

pippin
2013-12-08, 04:48
I like the custom SmartMix icon :-)

Good to hear that. Will make sure Mateusz learns about it. I believe he had a hard time designing all these icons since this was actually quite complicated. We needed both outline and filled versions of all icons that can go on the main menu and there's an awful lot of them.

CharlieG
2013-12-08, 06:24
I see Coolio is still pointing the way to now playing :)


iPeng 7 will drop automatically detected servers when they no longer show up but that's really only cosmetic.


One post to show all of the biggest changes in the iPhone UI in iPeng 7...

So, the new app will be called iPeng 7?

pippin
2013-12-08, 07:30
Oh, I didn't mention that, yet? Yes, it's called iPeng 7.

Pascal Hibon
2013-12-08, 08:57
Wauw, I like what you show us! Excellent work!

Could you show us an iPad screenshot?
Hope you don’t mind me saying this but I find the ‘current’ iPeng (main) screen on the iPad a bit too cluttered. Will that change in the upcoming release?

pippin
2013-12-08, 09:46
Could you show us an iPad screenshot?

One thing after the other :)



Hope you don’t mind me saying this but I find the ‘current’ iPeng (main) screen on the iPad a bit too cluttered. Will that change in the upcoming release?

Ha, depends a bit on _why_ you actually found it to be cluttered.
The iPad main screen is probably the biggest change in all of iPeng 7... which is why I held it back so far :)
And I was never very happy with the old iPeng for iPad layout, I did it in the early days when iPad design was new and some of the ideas - like using large background areas in the top bar as control elements - turned out to be really not a good idea.
Also, following Apple's original iPad Music App scheme in showing a cover in a somewhat big area at the bottom left and cramming all other control functionality into the top bar probably led to a bit disorganized and crammed appearance. It was not so much a question of the actual number of buttons (iPeng for iPad actually had _fewer_ buttons on screen than the other iPad Apps) but more a question of arrangement and use of whitespace.

All of this has changed.

On the other hand, there are two principles I followed which led to a somewhat cluttered appearance that I did not change and that I will not change:

1. iPeng does and will always try to make available space usable for actual content. If you browse your library, you can use your beautiful artwork to browse in a tile mode (and artist images, too, if you use Michael's Music and Artist Information plugin). And iPeng will fill your screen with it.
iPeng will not "clean" up it's design by filling 1/3rd of your screen with whitespace and 1/3rd with a static cover while cramming all of your menu content into an area only amounting to 1/5th of the screen space like some other Apps do.
If this leads to a cluttered appearance then so be it, if your content is not as important to you as a tidied up main screen appearance then iPeng is probably not for you.
In iPeng, if you only want to control a player there are beautiful screen savers that can really get out of your way while giving you _all_ player controls, there is absolutely no need to replicate that on the main screen.

2. iPeng will continue to always show the main menu. This is another usability thing. It means the main menu stays around taking up some space (although it can get really much less in iPeng 7) but the effect of this is that you don't have to always go through the main menu when you are watching at, say, your Rhapsody Albums and you want to briefly check your own Albums to see whether you've got something by a certain artist yourself.

That said: in iPeng 7 you pretty much have the choice on how you want to use the screen estate. Especially in landscape mode you can cram quite a lot of stuff in for those people who want to see everything at one glance or you can move most stuff out of the way and just focus on the library.
And when I say you have the choice then that doesn't mean you have to use a setup menu ;)

So... Let's have a look at what is probably the most cleaned-up version of the main screen in iPeng 7...
Ha.. And this time I will really hold back with more until some people take notice at least some of the news hidden in here :)

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Pascal Hibon
2013-12-08, 10:31
Ha, depends a bit on _why_ you actually found it to be cluttered.
The iPad main screen is probably the biggest change in all of iPeng 7... which is why I held it back so far :)
And I was never very happy with the old iPeng for iPad layout, I did it in the early days when iPad design was new and some of the ideas - like using large background areas in the top bar as control elements - turned out to be really not a good idea.
Also, following Apple's original iPad Music App scheme in showing a cover in a somewhat big area at the bottom left and cramming all other control functionality into the top bar probably led to a bit disorganized and crammed appearance. It was not so much a question of the actual number of buttons (iPeng for iPad actually had _fewer_ buttons on screen than the other iPad Apps) but more a question of arrangement and use of whitespace.

I should have said that I wasn't trying to be negative. :-)
I agree with you when you say that iPeng should, and is, making the best use of white space. My comment was more related to the use of the upper area of the screen. That area was crammed with a lot of controls, hence the clutter. I noticed in the screenshot that you now have moved some of those controls over to the bottom of the screen. And that looks a lot better, less cluttered.

I also like what you did with the left area of the screen. Showing only the icons reduces some clutter as well. Less text on the screen is good. Our brain tries to read and understand everything that gets projected as fast as possible (natural behavior). The new layout is quite gentle to our brain! Nice work pippin, I'm looking forward to this update!
I must admit that I use my iPad 99% in landscape mode. I guess that orientation will have the same modifications?

paulster
2013-12-08, 10:38
I like the icon view on the left hand side but I can't help wondering how well this will fare with MultiLibrary where, in my case, I have the standard Artists, Albums, etc. menus disabled because I have each of these within their respective libraries.

mherger
2013-12-08, 10:49
Heh... That screenshot once again shows me how little I use portrait mode... I didn't even know about the icon view! Menu items without icon would simply show as a truncated string. Hopefully my screenshot doesn't spoil anything...

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pippin
2013-12-08, 10:51
I should have said that I wasn't trying to be negative. :-)


Yes, didn't take it as that. Just trying to explain.

I think it has always been a good idea that neither Stefan with SqueezePad nor I with iPeng have ever really tried to copy each other's App. They both have very different design ideas which means they cater to very different users. Which is good. Better have two Apps that completely different users like than having two similar Apps which are a bad compromise and don't really fir anybody.



My comment was more related to the use of the upper area of the screen. That area was crammed with a lot of controls, hence the clutter.

Yes, and as I said: I was well aware of it and it definitely wasn't good.



I also like what you did with the left area of the screen. Showing only the icons reduces some clutter as well. Less text on the screen is good. Our brain tries to read and understand everything that gets projected as fast as possible (natural behavior). The new layout is quite gentle to our brain! Nice work pippin, I'm looking forward to this update!

Well, at the same time nothing tests as well in usability tests as simple, deep, text-only menus :)
Why? Because you can understand them simply by reading them and that's what people find "intuitive".
They really start to get on your nerves after a week when you are used to an App and they are boring and just holding you up but no usability test ever tests for so long....

So iPeng has it both ways. This icon view is strictly optional, much like in the old Twitter App. Here's the "startup" look. To get to the view above, just move the whole content area to the left with your finger....



I must admit that I use my iPad 99% in landscape mode. I guess that orientation will have the same modifications?

Sure. Although landscape view has a few additional options not available in portrait, but I need some more news to fill the next week with ;)

Now... Nobody noticed the tiles? Meh... so much work...

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pippin
2013-12-08, 10:56
Heh... That screenshot once again shows me how little I use portrait mode... I didn't even know about the icon view!


That only shows that you don't explore iPad Apps for gestures which is a _really_ bad idea in iPeng 7 since I haven't finished the help screens for the first release and it's full of shortcut gestures.
The icon view is of course available in landscape as well...

Regarding the truncated icon: hm, nobody reported that so far, only for the edit menu. Will add a default icon for the first update.
That said: what menu is this? I'd like to know about all of the menus that don't have icons, yet (probably a lot more) to fix that.

pippin
2013-12-08, 10:58
Heh... That screenshot once again shows me how little I use portrait mode... I didn't even know about the icon view! Menu items without icon would simply show as a truncated string. Hopefully my screenshot doesn't spoil anything...


Oh... and I otherwise really like _that_ spoiler ;)

Pascal Hibon
2013-12-08, 11:03
Now... Nobody noticed the tiles? Meh... so much work...

In my defense: I don’t use mysqueezebox.com integration so I never see a screen like that on my system :-)
But they do look very cool, very professional.

pippin
2013-12-08, 11:04
I like the icon view on the left hand side but I can't help wondering how well this will fare with MultiLibrary where, in my case, I have the standard Artists, Albums, etc. menus disabled because I have each of these within their respective libraries.

Well, until iPeng 7 you've never been able to really disable the default menus in iPeng, haven't you? This is different now.
And regarding the library menus... I will probably have to develop a logic over time to add icons to arbitrary menus as well. There are already a few, for example, there is the "audiobooks" menu shown in these screen shots (a Custom Browse menu with the ID of "audiobooks") and there are also icons for "Composers", I believe.

And regarding the text I assume my last post answered that part....

pippin
2013-12-08, 11:08
In my defense: I don’t use mysqueezebox.com integration so I never see a screen like that on my system :-)
But they do look very cool, very professional.

Well, on the Web interface plus most other Apps they look something like this. Which simply doesn't want to look even acceptable in an iOS 7 design....
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/wp-content/gallery/ipeng4ipadretina/img_0191.jpg

But that's another case of: let me know if something's missing ;)

mherger
2013-12-08, 11:11
Regarding the truncated icon: hm, nobody reported that so far, only for the edit menu. Will add a default icon for the first update.
That said: what menu is this? I'd like to know about all of the menus that don't have icons, yet (probably a lot more) to fix that.

It's the MusicIP Moods - a rather little known feature of the MIP plugin. Kind of recipes you can save in MIP for quick access.

pippin
2013-12-08, 11:15
Does that still work? What's it's menu ID?
Does it have an icon?

And a more general question.... Does it even make sense to show a default icon instead of the text? I mean... The text might not really be beautiful but then having three identical default icons on your main menu in this view probably wouldn't be very helpful either. OTOH you only have _one_ item without an icon....

mherger
2013-12-08, 11:38
Does that still work? What's it's menu ID?
Does it have an icon?

It's using the default MIP icon ("plugins/MusicMagic/html/images/icon.png"), and its ID is 'moods'?

Yeah, using default icons might be ok in a mixed icon/text menu, biu not icons only. Better stick with text labels...

BTW: I never reported this as I would imagine there aren't many users of this feature out there...

CharlieG
2013-12-08, 12:09
So... Let's have a look at what is probably the most cleaned-up version of the main screen in iPeng 7...
Ha.. And this time I will really hold back with more until some people take notice at least some of the news hidden in here :)

The album cover is small and in the top left now (does it still have the same functionality?)
Volume lower right
Power button is lower left
The tiles are very sharp
The icons on the left (no text) really cleans up the look
Is the multi-player control in the lower left, next to the power button?

It looks a lot better!

mps
2013-12-08, 13:29
Wauw, I like what you show us! Excellent work!

Could you show us an iPad screenshot?
Hope you don’t mind me saying this but I find the ‘current’ iPeng (main) screen on the iPad a bit too cluttered. Will that change in the upcoming release?

Actually, what I would like to see change on the iPad is the Now Playing screen, which IMO isn't cluttered enough. Rather than using nearly the whole screen for the current album cover, which usually too low of resolution to show well, I'd prefer a smaller image together with more info about the playing song, like the tags (e.g. comment, composer, conductor, etc.). I'd even consider things like lyrics, album review, and trackstats in tiles on the screen. While I understand that all three Now Playing screens are designed to be viewable from a distance, I always have the iPad in reach, and it would be nice to also have a "closeup" Now Playing screen that is a more detailed view of the song.

pippin
2013-12-08, 13:54
Well, lyrics are already there, aren't they? But yes, I plan to eventually do some kind of "track information screen saver", too.
Have to keep some evolution options ;)

Pascal Hibon
2013-12-08, 14:49
Rather than using nearly the whole screen for the current album cover, which usually too low of resolution to show well,

My album art is 600 x 600 and they all are displayed very nice on the iPad. I do scan them myself and don't donwload them from the internet. Usually that is the cause for poor album art.

ftlight
2013-12-08, 15:40
My album art is 600 x 600 and they all are displayed very nice on the iPad. I do scan them myself and don't donwload them from the internet. Usually that is the cause for poor album art.

Album Art Exchange has a large number of high-res scans: http://www.albumartexchange.com/

And as it's a collaborative site, you can give back by uploading your own scans to fill in gaps.

pippin
2013-12-08, 15:50
My experience is also that online artwork sources are not as bas as they used to be. And some online services actually have responded to the iPad's high resolution by providing really high resolution artwork beyond 600x600px.

ftlight
2013-12-08, 16:01
My experience is also that online artwork sources are not as bas as they used to be. And some online services actually have responded to the iPad's high resolution by providing really high resolution artwork beyond 600x600px.

I've seen 800x800 and even larger becoming more common at Album Art Exchange.

Pascal Hibon
2013-12-09, 01:54
Album Art Exchange has a large number of high-res scans: http://www.albumartexchange.com/

And as it's a collaborative site, you can give back by uploading your own scans to fill in gaps.

Very interesting, but I wonder how legal that is. The artwork is protected by copyright. Making a scan for your own personal use is not a problem. But I’m not sure it is legal to put them up a website for public download.

Anyway, I keep on scanning mine. I feel that 600x600 is more than enough to be displayed on a tablet screen. They even look very good when I display them on my 46 inch TV (with the Wandboard). Below is a sample:


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/41/3elv.png (http://imageshack.com/i/153elvp)

HeadBanger
2013-12-09, 07:07
@ pippin

I'm interested in the new ipeng. Will it include playback or will it use the original in app purchase?

Thanks

pippin
2013-12-09, 07:09
The original In-App-Purchase will stay valid (if enabled on the device or through iCloud), if you don't already have it, you can purchase it in iPeng 7 as well.

ftlight
2013-12-09, 09:20
Very interesting, but I wonder how legal that is. The artwork is protected by copyright. Making a scan for your own personal use is not a problem. But I’m not sure it is legal to put them up a website for public download.

Anyway, I keep on scanning mine. I feel that 600x600 is more than enough to be displayed on a tablet screen. They even look very good when I display them on my 46 inch TV (with the Wandboard).

The site owner claims fair use under US copyright law and will take down any images on request. I agree it's somewhat shaky ground.

Your display looks very good! I have Squeezeboxes back to the second version of the SB1, and will eventually get a Wandboard.

pippin
2013-12-09, 15:39
Monday night, let's talk playlists...

The "normal" mode for the current playlist is to have it in an overlay like in the Mail App. You can open it using the playlist button or swipe it in from the right.

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In landscape mode only, you can alternatively pin it to the content area to have it permanently visible.

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pippin
2013-12-10, 11:50
Now "coming soon", probably within the next 24 hours.

Will keeps this thread open to explain iPeng 7's UI

pippin
2013-12-10, 12:28
Will write a full announcement later but the App will now become available here (it's currently rolling out on the App Store):
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ipeng7/id767266886?mt=8&uo=4&at=10l56j

Discount until the end of the week.

w3wilkes
2013-12-10, 12:54
This little section is interesting...

You must be at least 17 years old to download this app.
Frequent/Intense Mature/Suggestive Themes

;-)

pippin
2013-12-10, 12:56
Yep. Like before.

Apple.

iPeng contains a web browser and Apple requires Apps that contain a web browser to be rated 17+.
Now, since you can't just say "my App is rated 17+" and "Web Browser" is not a valid reason you have the choice of vice. "Explicit violence" sounded even less appropriate....

It didn't always get enforced and iPeng for iPhone always slipped through but iPeng for iPad and iPeng UE also had that rating for quite a while now.

ftlight
2013-12-10, 12:56
Will write a full announcement later but the App is now available here:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ipeng7/id767266886?mt=8&uo=4&at=10l56j

Discount until the end of the week.

I see the preview (and thanks for the discount!) but it doesn't show up for purchase in US iTunes yet.

pippin
2013-12-10, 12:58
Yes, rollouts can take up to 24 hours.
Should maybe change the wording above...

Steve Baumgarten
2013-12-10, 13:46
Your link finds it but search in the App Store does not. Weird. I guess it's still updating somewhere in the depths of the App Store.

I'm definitely upgrading, it's a great app right now and the new version looks way better and nicer for iOS 7.

Just curious, what's the discounted price and what will the price be once the discount ends?

And once I buy it, I assume I can just delete the old version -- you mentioned that an existing in app purchase will carry over to the new version. Is that right?

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> Will write a full announcement later but the App is now available here:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ipeng7/id767266886?mt=8&uo=4&at=10l56j
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> Discount until the end of the week.
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> ---
> learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox
> and
> *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free
> Party-App,
> at penguinlovesmusic.com
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pippin
2013-12-10, 14:00
Now it's available, at least in the US.

The discounted price is US$ 5, the final price will be US$ 8 for now. Not decided whether I might go to 10 later.

pippin
2013-12-10, 14:07
And once I buy it, I assume I can just delete the old version -- you mentioned that an existing in app purchase will carry over to the new version. Is that right?


On the same device, yes.
To be sure, you could keep it until the feature is enabled in iPeng 7 so that you could also use iCloud to transfer the access token.

What you can't do is restore the feature directly from the App Store so enabling it would be just like transferring it between iPeng for iPhone and iPeng for iPad before.

Steve Baumgarten
2013-12-10, 14:47
Thanks, I'll use your link.

Weirdly search still only shows me the old version (I'm searching for "ipeng" -- I also get "ipeng ue" and "ipeng party" as matches), and searching for "ipeng 7" comes up empty. Maybe they update their search indices in batch overnight or something...

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> On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:00 PM, pippin <pippin.665i5b (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> Now it's available, at least in the US.
>
> The discounted price is US$ 5, the final price will be US$ 8 for now.
> Not decided whether I might go to 10 later.
>
>
>
> ---
> learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox
> and
> *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free
> Party-App,
> at penguinlovesmusic.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777
> View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100478
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Richie
2013-12-10, 14:56
Just managed to download it. First impressions: Looks good on my iPhone, very responsive. I'll have to try the iPad tomorrow.

Thanks for making it.

Richard

pippin
2013-12-10, 14:57
Well, the old version will stay available so that it's still showing is correct.

But it's true, this is a bit weird, I can find the App by following the link or by showing all Apps by "PenguinLovesMusic.com" but not through search. their index probably needs time to adjust.

ftlight
2013-12-10, 15:05
...by showing all Apps by "PenguinLovesMusic.com"

That's the only way it's showing up for me. Now purchased.

Richie
2013-12-10, 15:05
Is the view shown above in Michael's post (#45) with the artist images available on the iPhone? Do I have to do anything to make it happen?

Richard

pippin
2013-12-10, 15:15
Is the view shown above in Michael's post (#45) with the artist images available on the iPhone? Do I have to do anything to make it happen?


Oh, yes!

You need to install Michael's plugin (Music and Artist Information) and you need to run LMS 7.7.2 or newer, I believe (iPeng is not limited to 7.8 like the web interface).

Absolutely worth it!!!!

Steve Baumgarten
2013-12-10, 15:19
Just bought it via your direct link. It works fine, in app purchase transferred as expected, and I deleted the old version.

It's really great to have such dedicated development for the Squeezebox system. Thanks again for all your efforts.

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> On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:57 PM, pippin <pippin.665kqn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, the old version will stay available so that it's still showing is
> correct.
>
> But it's true, this is a bit weird, I can find the App by following the
> link or by showing all Apps by "PenguinLovesMusic.com" but not through
> search. their index probably needs time to adjust.
>
>
>
> ---
> learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox
> and
> *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free
> Party-App,
> at penguinlovesmusic.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777
> View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100478
>
>

Richie
2013-12-10, 15:42
Oh, yes!

You need to install Michael's plugin (Music and Artist Information) and you need to run LMS 7.7.2 or newer, I believe (iPeng is not limited to 7.8 like the web interface).

Absolutely worth it!!!!

Right, got it now.

Thanks

Richard

pippin
2013-12-10, 18:10
To stay a bit on topic... ;)
There's one new thing I didn't show, yet, and that's the new player list.

In the old iPeng, it seems like I was the only one who found grouping synced players under their playlist somewhat intuitive so this has now changed. Each player shows it's playlist unless it's synced to another player in which case it will show indented and with a "sync" icon. That sync icon doubles as an "unsync"-button.
Also, drag&drop has changes (like everywhere in the App): now you can "hold" a player briefly (even without hitting "edit" first) to pick it up and the list clearly shows you where you are about to drop it (sorry, can't show that in a screen shot, I need to eventually need to do a video for these things). The target player gets inverted so you really know what you are syncing to. The same goes for servers.
And to un-sync you drag it on the empty space between the players.

The "check-and-click" sync interface is still present, too, of course.

And another new feature is a toggle (top left) to turn off the player controls. This is especially useful with many players on the smaller iPhone screen.

And something else that has changed is the "power" button. You might already have noticed it on the main screen but in iPeng 7 the player icon no longer doubles as a power-button. Something else nobody seemed to have found intuitive... The idea has been that it's a large icon that is easy to hit and that takes up space anyway but people just tried to hit the small power symbol on the icon.

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musictappy
2013-12-10, 21:51
Thanks Pippin,

I picked up the new app up today and it works perfectly. I appreciate all of your work in keeping the Squeezebox ecosystem alive!

Pat

paulster
2013-12-10, 22:57
Downloaded my copies today. It can take a while to find the LMS server, which the old version didn't seem to do, and I've found a couple of cosmetic niggles, but overall I find the new interface much more intuitive so I'm pretty happy!

frozzers
2013-12-10, 23:41
Got the app last night and it looks good so far.

I'm really pleased to see the iPeng app 'Google Music' (it took me a while to figure out how to install it ...). At the moment, it looks as though the app only gives access to the free version e.g. I can't see Radio/'Create new station' option and I can only access my own music when I use the Search button.

I'm currently subscribing to the Google Play paid version - is there a way of logging in so I can access the radio and search the Google music database?


Chris

pippin
2013-12-11, 04:05
Hey, that has been around for almost 18 months now ;)
That said: unfortunately it's really a hack using iPeng's web browser (the reason for the 17+ rating....) to get access to the track streams. All you can do is play single streams and even these only from the "Now Playing" section in Google music (by pressing the "play" button). And even that doesn't always work.
There is no deeper integration that would allow for things like metadata lookup.
Also, there is no direct communication between the Google service and the Squeezebox so things like radio stations/dynamic playlists will not work. For these things there would definitely have to be a server side plugin.

On the upside... Google seems to have fixed their mobile skin so that it also works in portrait mode and Google seems to have extended the lifetime of their stream links so songs that do work have more than a few seconds to start.... I don't know whether it may even be possible to store favorites if you use the paid version, I don't have that one.

Webkemmi
2013-12-11, 12:54
Of course the new iPeng 7 is a must have for me and I immediately bought it. The new functions are great and I like the new fresh iOS 7 design but there is one thing I am missing: the absolute smooth scrolling of the Album covers in iPeng HD. With iPeng 7 scrolling stutters a bit on my iPad mini first gen and even on my new iPad Air.
Is it possible to get iPeng 7 as smooth as iPeng HD in further versions?

Greetings
Stefan

pippin
2013-12-11, 13:22
I know, I have been working on this a bit after the first release although at least on the Air it should become smooth as soon as the artwork is fully cached.

There are several aspects at play here:

1. Scheduling is worse under iOS 7 than under iOS 6. The same code just compiled under iOS 7 performs much worse, especially whenever disc write operations are involved, even if they happen in the background.
I was able to mitigate this by running more of the artwork handling in the background but I wasn't able to get this stable and I suspect some of the performance gain comes from losing some artwork.

2. I iOS 7 loses a lot of performance through the live blur effects, in this case for the navigation bar (header). This doesn't apply to the mini (where I believe it's always turned off) but it helps to turn this off: Settings->General->Accessibility->Increase contrast. It will not affect iPeng's own effects on the NowPlaying screen.

3. I do now support track artwork for the current playlist. Unfortunately this makes the artwork handling a bit more complex since another lookup step is involved. If a lot of artwork is being loaded, a lot of performance is lost.

But all of that said: I did find a few optimization a that will make the next update perform better plus you'll notice a significant speed up once the artwork is cached.

epoch1970
2013-12-11, 14:21
Pippin,

I got my copy yesterday.

Gestures are great!
Edits in the now playing screen are a treat.
Fantastic design overall, surely one of my best apps.
Heh, I even like the shade of blue this time ;)

Indeed this is not an update. It is an impressive re-take on the subject matter and, as the original was, an excellent value.

Thanks for pouring so much thought, effort, and no doubt love, into iPeng 7 for iPad

(BTW, I have not seen any issue with scrolling, everything is quite zippy on iPad Air. The same artwork was sometimes making my previous iPad 3 -running the original iPeng- stutter.)

Webkemmi
2013-12-11, 14:43
After restarting my iPad Air, iPeng 7 runs completely smooth now! On the iPad mini, scrolling still stutters a little bit, even after switching off the blur effect.
But this is really a luxury problem, and iPeng 7 is a fantastic app worth every cent.

Pascal Hibon
2013-12-11, 15:40
Hi pippin, the iPeng 7 looks really great. Excellent work!
One question, where do I find the power button for the Wandboard (Squeezelite)?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/42/wlth.png (http://imageshack.com/i/16wlthp)

Unlike "real" Squeezeboxes, there is no power button next to the Wandboard image.
And a minor thing: the icon is also a bit "shifted" to the right if compare with the other players in the list. Is that supposed to be like that?

Pascal Hibon
2013-12-11, 15:57
Hi pippin, the iPeng 7 looks really great. Excellent work!
One question, where do I find the power button for the Wandboard (Squeezelite)?



Unlike "real" Squeezeboxes, there is no power button next to the Wandboard image.
And a minor thing: the icon is also a bit "shifted" to the right if compare with the other players in the list. Is that supposed to be like that?

Ok, ignore this question. I found out why it was doing that :-)

By the way, I really like the new interface. It is just AWESOME !!

pippin
2013-12-11, 15:57
Thanks everybody for the warm words! I'm really happy to see you like the App.



One question, where do I find the power button for the Wandboard (Squeezelite)?

Unlike "real" Squeezeboxes, there is no power button next to the Wandboard image.
And a minor thing: the icon is also a bit "shifted" to the right if compare with the other players in the list. Is that supposed to be like that?

That has nothing to do with the Wandboard. Your Wandboard is simply connected to a different server. iPeng only controls players connected to the current server, all others can just be moved to the current server (unless you switch, of course).
I found having full control about players on other servers too costly due to the pretty verbose player status updates I would then also have to subscribe to there.

It's indented to show it "belongs" to something, in this case the server it's connected to. Synced players are shown in a similar way below a master.

andynormancx
2013-12-13, 06:33
I'm having a problem with the new app. It crashes on startup every time on my iPhone 5s.

I've tried restarting, just in case it was memory constrained for some reason.

It looks like it is crashing before it manages to send the automated crash report (it crashes whether or not I opt to send the report).

I did try logging a bug on trac, but that is also having a problem, I get an error page when I login. I'm not having much luck today :rolleyes:

I can provide the crash logs if you need them.

pippin
2013-12-13, 07:00
Yes, please. coolio att penguinlovesmusic dott com.
Did you try to restart the iPhone and to delete and re-install iPeng 7? This sounds a bit like something goes wrong in the initialization phase.

I also wonder whether it could be related to the In-App-Purchase, the App Store seems to be down at times today and I've seen payment queue crashes in one of my beta builds, an iOS problem. You could try to disable In-App-Purchases in the iPhone's restrictions to see whether that helps.
Did it ever run successfully?

andynormancx
2013-12-13, 07:12
I tried deleting/reinstalling, still crashes.

It also crashes on my iPad mini Retina.

I tried turning off IAP, still crashes.

I'll send over the logs.

Server version is 7.5.4 - r32171

andynormancx
2013-12-13, 07:15
And no, it never ran successfully. It crashed at the end of the tutorial screens I think on first run.

Now it crashes when it tries to show the main view I think. Shows splash, shows a screen with a player name at the top, with "Did you know about iPeng playback", then a second so later it crashes.

pippin
2013-12-13, 07:49
OK, thanks. I can see what the problem is, there's obviously some menu item with a broken parent node.
Which server version do you use and do you use any unusual plugins?

I sent you a mail. I've got a fix, would be good if you could test it.

garym
2013-12-13, 08:02
great job. I updated my ipad2 to iOS7 just so I could use this. Quick question. Under myapps on ipeng7 I see FACEBOOK. It is not one of the apps I've added at mysqueezebox.com. All the other apps under "myapps" are under myapps at mysb.com. Why is Facebook showing up. (Note, even before I connected the ipad to my local network or mysb.com, the Facebook icon showed up under myapps on ipeng7.

pippin
2013-12-13, 08:42
Yes, iPeng has a few Apps of it's own.
With the exception of Twitter they are essentially web site links that open in iPeng's browser although Facebook specifically does some additional handling, too.
They are meant to play links from web sites on your Squeezebox so you can use this Facebook "App" to play those Spotify links your friends post (for example).

It's been there for a while under "App Gallery->iPen Apps".
The reason it now shows up by default is threefold:

1. There is no longer a registration menu for Facebook. Sharing on Facebook, Twitter etc. is now done through the standard iOS control in iPeng 7 (knowing the user has iOS 7 helps sooooo much with some things) so the whole Facebook authorization code is gone.

2. Logitech discontinued the Facebook App so some users (it had quite a number of them) might want a replacement and not everybody always visits the App Gallery.

3. It didn't really make sense to add another configuration menu for the Facebook item, now that the main menu is fully configurable and you can hide anything you like.

garym
2013-12-13, 13:46
Yes, iPeng has a few Apps of it's own......

Aha. Makes sense. thanks.

pippin
2013-12-14, 05:08
OK, let's keep leaking a bit :)
No screen shot this time but...

I don't know how many of you have, say, several iPads but here in my home the iThingies start to stack up a bit.
If you do, you probably use iCloud, too and in this case you'll notice that whenever you change the main menu the changes will automatically propagate to all your other devices (I think it's only applied when re-entering the App but you don't have to restart it).

And of course iPeng 7 doesn't do this between iPad and iPhone/iPod since you really want to have a different menu structure on iPhone and iPad, if only for the shortcut buttons.