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    Senior Member erland's Avatar
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    Usage of online services in your family ?

    For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use premium online streaming services. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future.

    One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.

    The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family.

    If you have separate accounts, is the main purpose of that to be able to stream simultaneously or is it mainly to be able to keep track of individual favorites and playlists ?

    If you have separate accounts, do you feel it would be important to be able to listen to the music from one of the account on all player devices in the house ?

    If you have separate accounts, do you have accounts from different streaming providers or does all family member use the same streaming provider ?

    If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?

    Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ?

    I'll post a separate thread for local music, so don't use this thread to say that you don't use online services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erland View Post
    One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.
    I confess I've never tried, but I'm surprised this is disallowed - at least if they're all coming from the same public IP address.

    Quote Originally Posted by erland View Post
    The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family.
    One account for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by erland View Post
    If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?
    Not severely, but to some degree. I ask them not to "Add to Library" and for them to use it purely as an ad-hoc listening service (I use the library... I'm excluded from my own rule on the basis I pay for it). It doesn't always work - I sometimes see One Direction and similar appearing in the library.

    Quote Originally Posted by erland View Post
    Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ?
    First and foremost, I want our new Community-SB devices to support them! Non-SB players can't access Rhapsody UK (Napster) and I suspect we'll be in a similar position with the Community-SB for the time being. Beyond that, allowing different users to have different libraries would be nice as, when my kids get older, they're more likely to demand such a feature. I think that's the answer you were looking for. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by erland View Post
    For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use premium online streaming services. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future.

    One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.

    The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family.

    If you have separate accounts, is the main purpose of that to be able to stream simultaneously or is it mainly to be able to keep track of individual favorites and playlists ?

    If you have separate accounts, do you feel it would be important to be able to listen to the music from one of the account on all player devices in the house ?

    If you have separate accounts, do you have accounts from different streaming providers or does all family member use the same streaming provider ?

    If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?

    Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ?

    I'll post a separate thread for local music, so don't use this thread to say that you don't use online services.
    1. Both.
    2. Yes.
    3. The same.
    4. Yes.
    5. Be able to select account per device.
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    We have single account (MOG, free Pandora).
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    We use slacker, pandora, and rhapsody. Rhapsody is the only premium service we use.

    On a regular basis, different squeezeboxes are streaming different content from Rhapsody. If that capability was lost, I'd drop rhapsody.

    1-3 don't apply since we have a single account.
    4 - Yes, it would be great to be able to track playlists and libraries on a per user basis. Though I'll gladly suffer this rather than pay for separate accounts.
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    We use Rhapsody and Pandora ONE. Single accounts for the family, although it's possible that will change as the kids get older. Rhapsody's current offering of "family plans" is severely limiting and stupid.

    Currently I'm the only one in the family who really plays with maintaining a library, favorites, playlist, etc., so none of that has been a problem. Again, this may change as the kids get older. It would be nice if I could quarantine the kid music within my Rhapsody library, but Rhapsody's library management tools are already very weak. (Orphaned albums being the most pesky annoyance - stuff that was available at one itme, but is no longer for whatever reaon.) And I worry that material changes to library management on the SBS side would confuse how I interact with Rhapsody directly via my iPhone or PC.

    My dream SBS system would combine results of my local FLAC library with my Rhapsody library. And there would be some indicator that let's me know the source of the content (local vs Rhapsody.) I'd be okay with (and might prefer) seeing duplication - i.e., under Pink Floyd I'd see the the FLAC version of Wish You Were Here and the Rhapsody version of the same album.

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    We've just started using Napster after a disappointing trial of Spotify and really like it.

    It has a very intuitive GUI meaning that you can actually find new stuff. Much better than Spotify in this regard. Also, we can stream separately to each of our SBs whilst Spotify will only allow one steam (which can of course be shared by synchronising).

    Spotify wins on SQ (320kbps vs 192kbps) and also plays gaplessly which Napster does not. However, we're not using this as our primary music source but as a way to actually find new music we like (which is stupidly hard on Spotify). This plus the fact that it is half the price of Spotify means it is an overall winner for us.
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    We use Pandora, SiriusXM, and occasionally Slacker. One account in each case. Never felt a need for separate accounts/playlists/favorites. The currently-existing functionality is adequate for our needs. Obviously if a new plugin or plugins had that same functionality but added new features, that would be fine, but we're not pressed for anything new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erland View Post
    If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?
    I have a single Pandora account, and it would be nice to have separate ones, with individual favorites. Kiddo favorites, my favorites, genre favorites. Also, the SB Pandora interaction isn't as refined as the iOS app - you can do far more on it, even vs. iPeng (don't have a list handy at the moment)

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    Pretty much play local music only. Little to none online service usage. Occasional novelty browsing at the most.
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