Hi,
I think it is a time to put a new SB unit on the market. SB Touch is ok but we (customers, market in general) need something that can play 24/192 or even 32/384. Is there something cooking in the kitchen ?
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2012-07-24, 08:45 #1Member
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New SB ?
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2012-07-24, 08:48 #2Senior Member
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install the free Triode's EDO plugin and you can play 24/192 via S/PDIF, Optical, or USB out to a DAC that supports it.
Originally Posted by DejanM
Location 1: VortexBox Appliance 6TB (2.2) > LMS 7.7.2 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet)
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2012-07-24, 09:27 #3Senior Member
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Oh, and Logitech has a policy of not commenting about what is, or is not, cooking in the kitchen. They wait until the meal is ready to be served. At least as long as some bonehead distributor doesn't leak the information first, as happened with the Touch several months before its release.
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2012-07-24, 15:31 #4Senior Member
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No we don't 24/96 is already overkill for human listeners ? We need better recordings , the delivery format has very litle influence compared to the sound of the master/recording . ( actually the sq of the majority of existing recordings is such that not even 16/44.1 is a technical limit ) Originally Posted by DejanM
If some vendor insit on selling 24/192 LMS can down sample on the fly to 24/96 or if your servers is a low powered NAS you can do that offline , or buy the 24/96 content .
If yourdac is working properly a human being simply can not hear the diff between 24/192 and 24/96 .
I suggest an experiment downsample one of your own 24/192 or 24/96 tracks to 16/44.1 and set up some kind of blind test . I've done that it's very revealing .
It sometimes happens that some hirez version of a recording actually sounds better than the CD version ,but this has nothing to do with 16/44.1 vs 24/96 but they simply sourced a better version/master .
So you can have the benefit of a better master in any delivery format >= 16/44.1 they will sound the same .
You migth have to dowsample yourself to see this, as coincidentally the different cd and hirez and DVDA or SACD version are never from,the same master ( with some minor exceptions ) and all of the sound different .
you can bet on that on a hybrid disc the cd layer and DSD/DVDA layer will never sound the same
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2012-07-24, 15:34 #5Senior Member
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On topic yes I agree we need some more sb products but not because of this reason.
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2012-07-24, 23:23 #6Senior Member
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+1 Originally Posted by Mnyb
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2012-07-25, 00:17 #7Member
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Channel classics have a download comparison sampler with three versions of the same track, one at 16/44, one at 24/96 and one at 24/192.We definitely heard more space between the instruments in the 24/192 version. Have a listen.Iforget the music, but it was cello driven.
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2012-07-25, 04:12 #8Senior Member
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Two simple questions: When you were listening, did you know which resolution you were listening to? And are you 100% certain all three are from the same masterings?
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The resolutions are clearly marked on each version...I can only assume that Channel Classics are being honest with the presentation though I can think of no way to prove this. The music is Botessini Capiccio di Bravura in A Major by Rick Stotijn. Listen ans see what you think.It's a free download. There are also interesting comparisons on the 2L test bench.
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2012-07-26, 04:24 #10Senior Member
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Perhaps my first question was misunderstood, so let me rephrase. At the time you were doing the comparisons, did you know which of the resolutions you were listening to, or did you "anonymize" them as A, B, and C, and come to your conclusions on the basis of sound quality alone, without knowledge of which resolution it was. You know, blind testing?
And the answer to my second question is no (because you're not certain). The way to be certain is simple, as already suggested by Mnyb: take a 24/192 track, downsample it yourself to 24/96 and 16/44.1, and then compare those.
I have seen too many cases of people _thinking_ they are comparing 16/44.1 with 24/48 or 24/96 when in fact they are comparing different resolutions _and_ different masterings, also known as apples and oranges.
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