Why does this goes to Various Artists...

[JENCDK]

If an album have tracks containing different artists, doesn't the server make this a compilation even if compilation tags is not set or missing?

Hi

No. If you to an album where there are several different Artist, adds one unique AlbumArtist for the whole album, then the album should not be handled as a compilation.

See http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.ph...usArtistsLogic

[JENCDK]

it would be nice if the OP would respond, but one of the things thrwoing me here on the diagnosis is the different language. like, is his OS in Danish? his server? does that impact bug 9523?

also, even if he isn't using an AA tag, if he sets all his artists tags to be in conflict with the VA string, he'll still suffer from bug 9523.

high time to get bug 15604 done, as it has at least 39 votes now, and will solve 9523.

Hi. First sorry for the late response - you're rigth I should have replied earlier but was stuck in bed ill for some days.

MP3Tag that I have shown some screenshots from is in danish. I run SB Server on a Synology DS110j NAS. When I access it through my PC via Web, it is in Danish. But I don't think this is the problem, as a) having foreign translations aside and tags aside is quite a wellknown discipline for the vendors, and b) it works like it should in many other folders.
I will after replying investigate if it should be an odd tag in 1-file-only.

"also, even if he isn't using an AA tag" -> I do use AA tag.

"if he sets all his artists tags to be in conflict with the VA string" -> Is VA String Various Artist string? I'm not sure what you mean here, but I don't handle (and don't want to...) VA specificly. I would like SB server to handle that, only if it could handle is correctly as supposed to...

"he'll still suffer from bug 9523" -> what is bug 9523?

[JENCDK]

What is the setting for

"When compilation albums are grouped together, they appear under "Various Artists" by default. You can change that name below."

This is blank.

I would like to keep it blank, as the software then handles it. When I browse my SB server on NAS via web, it is in danish and hence "Diversen Kunstnere".
Whereas my controller is (currently) with english language and shows it as "Various Artist".

If a name is not specified, it is handled via "language defaults". I like that and will keep that, and do not expect that to be of any reason.

[JENCDK]

And now another ask for help.

Some of you proposed I should only have and ID3v2 (and no ID3v1) as you see I have both.
Actually, in the folder with the errounous VA-handlingn there is only ID3v2.3 and WMA.

But I do have ID3v1 in other folders. So

- how do I upgrade the easiest from ID3v1 to ID3v2, just retaining existing tags without adding og changing any tags?

And in general, if I find an odd tag in one single file to be the culprit,

- how do I remove that tag. Meaning, not setting it to zero, or blank, but fully remove that tag as a registration?

[garym]

And now another ask for help.

Some of you proposed I should only have and ID3v2 (and no ID3v1) as you see I have both.
Actually, in the folder with the errounous VA-handlingn there is only ID3v2.3 and WMA.

But I do have ID3v1 in other folders. So

- how do I upgrade the easiest from ID3v1 to ID3v2, just retaining existing tags without adding og changing any tags?

And in general, if I find an odd tag in one single file to be the culprit,

- how do I remove that tag. Meaning, not setting it to zero, or blank, but fully remove that tag as a registration?

mp3tag is the perfect program for this. In fact, see this recent thread:
http://forums.mp3tag.de/index.php?showtopic=15285&hl=

[MrSinatra]

hi OP,

i'm quite ill as well, so thats ok.

bug 9523 is a very stupid string conflict built into server. basically, server wants to make "Various Artists" a "special" category, and so if you happen to have any tracks, as MANY MANY people do, that don't have any comp tags, but have either AA values or A values of "Various Artists" then server will hide the music from you. see:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9523

the best fix is this bug:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604

please vote for both.

the easy workaround is to either add explicit Comp=1 tags, or change the setting in server to the special category name for VA, to something not in conflict with any of your tag strings.

having said that, it sounds like your problem is that things are getting classified as comps that shouldn't be, correct? if you do have AA tags and you don't have explicit comp=1 tags, then i don't know how or why server would think something is a comp.

it probably wouldn't hurt for you to clear your server cache and do a full clear and rescan.

[MrSinatra]

And now another ask for help.

Some of you proposed I should only have and ID3v2 (and no ID3v1) as you see I have both.
Actually, in the folder with the errounous VA-handlingn there is only ID3v2.3 and WMA.

i think this is the answer. mp3tag will only show you one tag layer at a time. it probably is showing you the id3 layer. server meanwhile will read all layers and merge them, so i think server is using the wma comp tag, ergo why server is calling it a comp.

i only use flac and mp3. so i use only vorbis for flac, and only id3v2.3 for mp3.

regardless of what format you use, i find its best to only have one type of tag in it.

But I do have ID3v1 in other folders. So

- how do I upgrade the easiest from ID3v1 to ID3v2, just retaining existing tags without adding og changing any tags?

And in general, if I find an odd tag in one single file to be the culprit,

- how do I remove that tag. Meaning, not setting it to zero, or blank, but fully remove that tag as a registration?

as stated, use mp3tag. u just do some simple config, where it removes all but v2.3 and then do a tag cut and tag paste. be careful tho, experiment first! mp3tag will also fully remove frames u don't want.

[JENCDK]

Hi again

I have now stripped all extra tags, and the problem remains the same. A folder where each and every file has the same Album Artist and Album tag, is handled as a compilation, which it should not.

It does not seem to be my WMA files that makes this happen, as if I only have these files in the folder, everything goes as expected, and the folder is correctly not handled as a compilation.

If I add MP3 files, some of them handles correctly. Whereas others does not handle correctly and results in the entire folder to be handled wrongly as a compilation. I have tried one-by-one to discover some that handles correctly and some wrong.

I cannot see any differences in files or in tags in files, for the ones handles correctly and the ones handled wrongly.

I use MP3Tag to view tags. I don't see a TPE2 tag, and can see that this is referenced more places for Squeezebox Server.

- Which other program than MP3Tag could I use to see TPE2 tags, and other relevant tags, to see if I can find the wrong info this way?

[MrSinatra]

Hi again

I have now stripped all extra tags, and the problem remains the same. A folder where each and every file has the same Album Artist and Album tag, is handled as a compilation, which it should not.

ok, we need you to start getting specific here.

how many albums are being called comps by server that are not comps in reality? what are they called/named? what format are they in?

do you have one album per folder?

It does not seem to be my WMA files that makes this happen, as if I only have these files in the folder, everything goes as expected, and the folder is correctly not handled as a compilation.

If I add MP3 files, some of them handles correctly. Whereas others does not handle correctly and results in the entire folder to be handled wrongly as a compilation. I have tried one-by-one to discover some that handles correctly and some wrong.

I cannot see any differences in files or in tags in files, for the ones handles correctly and the ones handled wrongly.

personally, i don't mix formats. so you are saying it is ONLY mp3 files that are getting classified wrong? do they have id3 and wma tags in them, or just wma? are they in folders with wma files?

I use MP3Tag to view tags. I don't see a TPE2 tag, and can see that this is referenced more places for Squeezebox Server.

- Which other program than MP3Tag could I use to see TPE2 tags, and other relevant tags, to see if I can find the wrong info this way?

mp3tag calls TPE2 "album artist" it doesn't show frame names.

have you drilled down to the song info level in server and looked at the raw tags server finds?

[JENCDK]

ok, we need you to start getting specific here.

how many albums are being called comps by server that are not comps in reality? what are they called/named? what format are they in?

do you have one album per folder?



personally, i don't mix formats. so you are saying it is ONLY mp3 files that are getting classified wrong? do they have id3 and wma tags in them, or just wma? are they in folders with wma files?



mp3tag calls TPE2 "album artist" it doesn't show frame names.

have you drilled down to the song info level in server and looked at the raw tags server finds?

-> "how many albums are being called comps by server that are not comps in reality?"
I have one album, in one folder, that is handled wrong. That is, ending up being handled with the Various Artists functionality by SB-server.
I have 7 other albums that is handled correctly.
All 8 albums (7 correct and the 1 wrong) are in each own folder (8 of them) and all 8 have Album Artist tag set to the same name and Album tag to the same name.

-> what are they called/named?
The 7 are e.g. "Careless Whisper disc 1", "Careless Whisper disc 2", "Burning Love", etc. The one handles wrong is "Diverse Musik" and for that I have also tried "Blandet musik" (the last two are danish language :-) All the mentioned for Album tag. For the Album Artist tag all 8 has "Diverse Kunstnere".

-> what format are they in?
The 7 is in WMA, the 8th is a combination of MP3 and WMA.
BUT!!! i have tried isolating the folder to be ONLY wma - where it handles correctly. Only MP3 where is handles wrong. And a combination of WMA and MP3 where it handles correctly with some of the MP3's and handles wrong if it is combined with others of the MP3. I have tried file-by-file to identify the files that results in errournous handling.
Therefore my question from yesterday - how to see full tags, e.g TPE2
Those MP3's that results in the errournous handling must have some odd attribute somewhere, i guess. I just can't put my finger to it from MP3Tag-software.

-> "personally, i don't mix formats. so you are saying it is ONLY mp3 files that are getting classified wrong? do they have id3 and wma tags in them, or just wma? are they in folders with wma files? "
As mentioned. I have tried isolating formats and not mixing them. The WMA's goes fine. The MP3 (also when isolated to MP3's) goes wrong.
The MP3's does not have WMA tags in them.

-> "mp3tag calls TPE2 "album artist" it doesn't show frame names."
So I don't risk there is a confused/wrong TPE2 tag, when I verify "Album Artist" tag to be correct in MP3Tag?
What do you mean by "it doesn't show frame names".

- "have you drilled down to the song info level in server and looked at the raw tags server finds?"
Yes. And it didn't ring any bells. I'm not at my computer with the music right now, but will try this once again.
I run my SB server from my Synology Nas, via SB-software downloaded from synology.com. This shouldn't be an issue, should it?