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  1. #1
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    Why does this goes to Various Artists...

    Hi all

    I have an odd problem or is overlooking something, when setting tags on my music.

    According to the "Various Artists" logic described here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.ph...usArtistsLogic
    it goes that: "If a file has explicit 'ALBUMARTIST' tags the server recognizes, it will NEVER be classified as a comp/VA album"

    In more occasions I have albums where I use the ALBUMARTIST tag to avoid the Various Artists functionality to come in use. As i do not want this.
    In the enclosed screenshot, the bottom one, is an example where it works like a charm and acts like it should and does not make use of the squeezebox Various Artists functionality.

    The album has more different artists. But one Album name. And by defining one Album Artists name, it does not become a Various Artists, and I'm happy :-)

    But then I have another example. Again with more different Artists, and again one Album name. And one Album Artists name. But this errornously becomes and Various Artists listing in My Music, e.g. under Artists. See enclosed example, the top one.

    - Why does this happen. What I'm I overlooking?

    It does comply to the "If a file has explicit 'ALBUMARTIST' tags the server recognizes, it will NEVER be classified as a comp/VA album" rule

    ... that is, unless the "...the server recognizes..." could be the cause? Does anyone know what is meant by this?

    All my music does not have a COMP tag. Neither 0 nor 1. It is blank.

    And before you suggest using COMP=0 I do not want to use this, as this will make all the individual artists of the album appear in the My Music > Artists list, which I don't want. I only want to have my "major" artists there.

    Heeeelp please.

    FYI: I'm in Denmark, and in the screenshots Titel = Title, Kunster=Artists, Album Kunster = Album Artists

    Kind regards
    Jens
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    Does the album showing up as various artists have the COMPILATION field set to "1". Open files in mp3tag, right click, select extended tags, then look for compilation. If it has this field, simply delete the compilation field from the tags (you can do it right there in extended tags....highlight compilation, then hit the "X" to the right of the panel to delete that field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garym View Post
    Does the album showing up as various artists have the COMPILATION field set to "1". Open files in mp3tag, right click, select extended tags, then look for compilation. If it has this field, simply delete the compilation field from the tags (you can do it right there in extended tags....highlight compilation, then hit the "X" to the right of the panel to delete that field.
    Hi

    No, it does not. Neither one of the listings has COMPILATION=1. Also as I mention in my text.

    And this makes it even more mysterious, and I can't find the reason myself for it being handled as Various Artists by Squeezebox.

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    have you opened mysterious acting files in mp3tag and looked at extended tags? this sometimes shows odd things that you don't otherwise see....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JENCDK View Post
    Hi

    No, it does not. Neither one of the listings has COMPILATION=1. Also as I mention in my text.

    And this makes it even more mysterious, and I can't find the reason myself for it being handled as Various Artists by Squeezebox.
    that is, you say you have comp = blank. I'm saying that you should have COMPILATION tag as NOT THERE (if this field shows up in mp3tag extended tags, delete the field (don't just make it blank). This may not be the issue, but can't hurt....
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    Yes I have.

    I enclose a picture of the extended tags for one of the files getting handled wrong in the Various Artists logic.

    As you can see, there is no Compilation tag.

    Furthermore I can add, that
    - all the files/music in the folder has Album=Blandet Musik
    - all the files/music in the folder has AlbumArtist=Diverse Kunstnere
    - some files has ARTIST=[actual artists name] and others have Diverse Kunstnere as the enclosed. (Diverse Kunstnere = Various Artists in danish).

    I have other folders where Album=[a given name other than Blandet Musik, e.g. This Is Soul] where it works just fine, and Squeezebox does not use it's build in various artists logic.
    I have more of these, and AlbumArtists=Diverse Kunstnere is used across more folders. Until now without problems. Also some files as Diverse Kunstere as Artist, also until now without problems.
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    Do you have any ARTISTSORT or related fields? I had something like what you had turn up once because one file had the ARTISTSORT set to Various Artists. It ended up moving all files files with that one artist into the Various Artists menu. It had nothing to do with the compilation tags (I don't use them either).

    It only takes one file to have an ARTIST SORT tag to make all your music with that one ARTIST or one ALBUM show up under a different location.

    This is where garym's suggestion becomes important. You have to investigate file by file to see if an extended tag is messed up beyond the compilation, artist, and album artist tag. You might also look now to see whether all your previous music is sorting correctly. One problem file can make previously ok files sort wrong. It can also help track down the potential source of the problem.

    Last, I see in your example on the last one that you potentially have both ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags in your mp3 files. I suggest removing the ID3v1 tags unless you know they are needed. MP3tag is only going to show you the ID3v2 tags, so if a tag is wrong in the ID3v1 tags, you may not notice it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emalvick View Post
    Do you have any ARTISTSORT or related fields? I had something like what you had turn up once because one file had the ARTISTSORT set to Various Artists. It ended up moving all files files with that one artist into the Various Artists menu. It had nothing to do with the compilation tags (I don't use them either).

    It only takes one file to have an ARTIST SORT tag to make all your music with that one ARTIST or one ALBUM show up under a different location.

    This is where garym's suggestion becomes important. You have to investigate file by file to see if an extended tag is messed up beyond the compilation, artist, and album artist tag. You might also look now to see whether all your previous music is sorting correctly. One problem file can make previously ok files sort wrong. It can also help track down the potential source of the problem.

    Last, I see in your example on the last one that you potentially have both ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags in your mp3 files. I suggest removing the ID3v1 tags unless you know they are needed. MP3tag is only going to show you the ID3v2 tags, so if a tag is wrong in the ID3v1 tags, you may not notice it.
    good point and to emphasize your point above, even if the artist has an artistsort tag IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TRACK IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ALBUM it will change the treatment of how things show up in the album you are looking at above that does NOT have an artistsort tag. This oddity has plagued SbS/LMS users for a long time I think....

    So I'd look for any tracks from any albums related to the artist in question, pull these up in mp3tag, and look for things like artistsort, albumartistsort, etc.
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    chances are this is a tagging or location issue.

    first, are all the problem files in one folder location? i find with server that its best to put one album = one folder.

    second, i agree about making sure all files are only using one tag type. for mp3, i only use id3v2.3

    third, in server, have you drilled down to the song level info? look there, b/c u will see everything that server sees as tags. a stray weird sort tag or something like that could be the cause.

    also, i assume the AA tag itself does not = "Various Artists" as that causes problems which need workarounds in default server.

    i also assume u have server set to treat TPE2 as AA since this is how most all apps treat TPE2 (de facto standard, but out of spec)

    fourth, are the tags in english or translated by the app?

    what is meant by "recognizes" is that people can annotate AA tags in different ways. in english, for flac it could be "ALBUM ARTIST" or "ALBUMARTIST" etc...

    in id3v2, it could be TPE2 or TXXX ALBUMARTIST or TXXX ALBUM ARTIST etc...

    so it has to be a method server knows to interpret as AA.

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    What is your indication that this is being recognized as a compilation album? If you view the album in the web interface, does it show 'Compilation: Yes', as in the screenshot below? If not, then it's not considered a compilation.
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