Audio Myths!

[magiccarpetride]

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[garym]

Sound waves? What the hell do we know about sound waves (and why would we ever care)? All I'm talking about is enjoyment of music. If that prettier speaker cable gives me a longer lasting hard on, hey, I'm buying it! It's the same as asking my woman to wear that prettier bra, because it gives me harder erection.

Only a complete loser would find fault with that approach to living and enjoying life. And I see a lot of people in here crying foul over such a hedonistic approach to enjyment. You do the math...

get off your "complete loser if you disagree with me" soapbox. It's tiring. But back to your point: I don't disagree at all that there is nothing wrong with complete enjoyment of our life where possible and if a cool looking amp, a purple cable, and a stone on top of my CD player make it all better *for me*, then great. No dispute here. My only dispute is when folks want to claim some reproducible, scientific, measurable engineering phenomena from such factors. And then claim that if I can't hear such differences, my system is simply not revealing enough or that the humidity in my parent's basement* is preventing the proper listening environment.

*inside "joke" for the new reader, sorry.

p.s. "my woman"....what are you, a caveman?

[SBGK]

This is the kind of reasoning which has turned this forum into bedlam recently. It even seems as though MCR is not the craziest solipsist in town.

It cannot be correct that the only valid contributions are statements of belief in the latest DIY foo. In fact it does tend in that way because most people have better things to do with their time than interrupt other peoples conversations, however weird they may seem. But it it necessary in the name of balance for it to be pointed out that not only does it seem technically unlikely that tinkering makes a positive difference, but that many people have tried it and concluded that there was no difference.

Otherwise newcomers to the forum might be under the impression that there was a consensus or even universal view amongst users that the SBT doesn't really work until all the settings have been comprehensively tweaked.

As it is I am quite sure that many people do, quite incorrectly but equally understandably, get that impression.

you guys really need to lay out what is acceptable to be posted on your forum, new ideas are not welcome, it seems. how do you think new products are developed ? unbelievable.

[magiccarpetride]

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[SBGK]

I think discussion on Squeezebox Touch tweaks does not belong in the audiophile forum. It belongs in the Touch forum. That's what all these self-proclaimed, self-apointed 'experts' are complaining about.

But, as someone pointed out, Klaus (Soundcheck) did start this Touch Toolbox thread in the Touch forum, but then, much to Soundcheck's chagrin, administrators forklifted it over here.

It's impossible to please everyone...

there seems to be a faction who poo poo's any change, calling people fruitcakes etc without any effort to try to understand the ideas behind the tweaks and without putting up any arguments for their own position other than dogmatism. Pontiffs indeed.

[Mnyb]

you guys really need to lay out what is acceptable to be posted on your forum, new ideas are not welcome, it seems. how do you think new products are developed ? unbelievable.

New ideas are very welcome

But the typical audiophool "ideas" are not new.
And if they are, they top the old ones in sheer improbality *sigh* and are usually rubbish too, like we need yet another powercable etc...

99.88% of them can be given a blanket statement "yes you are hearing things in your head" meaning bias or placebo etc and nothing is happen in reality, or what happening is below the threshold of what we can hear.

EE and audio is quite mature incremental improvement is possible .

What can shook things up are things like squeezeboxes that gives a completely new way to enjoy music, this is the future no more discs.
And similar paradigm shifting stuff.

Also good quality at lower prices , that would be news , but in audiophilia the silly price is a part of the product, but I love stuff that tries to break the mold here to .

Audiophiles don't like new ideas either the want old ones rehashed over again like set tube amps and other anachronism of yesteryear.

Example active speakers are superior to passive speakers, yet almost no audiophile uses them and there is way to few of them to be a good selection :-/ (if no one buys no one sells ) but the pros have been using them since 60-70s

[garym]

you guys really need to lay out what is acceptable to be posted on your forum, new ideas are not welcome, it seems. how do you think new products are developed ? unbelievable.

You can post whatever you want--it's a public forum. From my perspective, it seems that anyone that dares question one of your "improvements" gets grief for daring to question it. It goes both ways. You can post what you want, and I can post what I want. We're both equally welcome here.

The thing that bothers me the most however is when a new Touch user posts a simple question (How do I use this thing?) and the first answer is, apply TT3.0 tweaks, remove the caps, solder the S/PDIF cable to the board, get a DAC and then you'll be getting closer to decent sound from a TOUCH. But that's just me and I'm not in charge. (If they made me king, I'd be more likely to want to follow the hydrogenaudio TOS #8 approach for this kind of stuff, but again, that's just me and I understand why that approach may be even a bit too limiting).

[SBGK]

New ideas are very welcome

But the typical audiophool "ideas" are not new.
And if they are, they top the old ones in sheer improbality *sigh* and are usually rubbish too, like we need yet another powercable etc...

99.88% of them can be given a blanket statement "yes you are hearing things in your head" meaning bias or placebo etc and nothing is happen in reality, or what happening is below the threshold of what we can hear.

EE and audio is quite mature incremental improvement is possible .

What can shook things up are things like squeezeboxes that gives a completely new way to enjoy music, this is the future no more discs.
And similar paradigm shifting stuff.

Also good quality at lower prices , that would be news , but in audiophilia the silly price is a part of the product, but I love stuff that tries to break the mold here to .

Audiophiles don't like new ideas either the want old ones rehashed over again like set tube amps and other anachronism of yesteryear.

Example active speakers are superior to passive speakers, yet almost no audiophile uses them and there is way to few of them to be a good selection :-/ (if no one buys no one sells ) but the pros have been using them since 60-70s

do you know Squeezebox is a computer, do you know the server runs on a computer, do you know computers can be tweaked, this is a whole new area which is definately affecting audio performance and is definately not mature. I notice you are not saying 'I have tried these settings and this is my opinion'

[garym]

which is definately affecting audio performance

You say this a lot in various ways. I'd really just like to see you post the results of some trials from a competently designed and executed double-blind study. Your tweaks (at least the software tweaks) are easily testable with such an approach.

[SBGK]

You can post whatever you want--it's a public forum. From my perspective, it seems that anyone that dares question one of your "improvements" gets grief for daring to question it. It goes both ways. You can post what you want, and I can post what I want. We're both equally welcome here.

The thing that bothers me the most however is when a new Touch user posts a simple question (How do I use this thing?) and the first answer is, apply TT3.0 tweaks, remove the caps, solder the S/PDIF cable to the board, get a DAC and then you'll be getting closer to decent sound from a TOUCH. But that's just me and I'm not in charge. (If they made me king, I'd be more likely to want to follow the hydrogenaudio TOS #8 approach for this kind of stuff, but again, that's just me and I understand why that approach may be even a bit too limiting).

can you provide an example of me giving someone grief, get real.