soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

[HumanMedia]

I tried the new settings last night and they sound quite good. Initially i was getting dropouts at the start of tracks but that settled down after 3 or 4 tracks and doesn't happen now. However it was sunday night, which is acoustically and electrically quiet in the urban area i am in, plus I am running some other rather extreme but completely separate settings to test so maybe there is a combination effect happening that these new settings are not solely attributable for.

I will keep running them over a few days and report back.

And for the record, i definitely notice a positive effect with TT2 and TT3 but find TT3 default priorities uncomfortable and forced sounding.

These settings sound different and better, so far anyway. Maybe they will fatigue after a while, lets see.

[darrell]

Might I suggest that the powers that be close this thread now? It is in severe danger of going round in circles, not for the first time. Those who are interested in these things would be able to continue their discussion on Soundcheck's blog, which is probably the best place for it.

[HumanMedia]

Might I suggest that the powers that be close this thread now? It is in severe danger of going round in circles, not for the first time. Those who are interested in these things would be able to continue their discussion on Soundcheck's blog, which is probably the best place for it.

My vote is to keep it going, maybe its finally on track? - whats the harm?
People who are not interested in the "soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0" thread can easily skip clicking on the link - why else would they come in here anyway?

As long as those who are still coming back to the thread keep things civil.

[rgro]

Gotta' vote with Jeff Flowerday, PasTim and HumanMedia. "No harm, no foul." Soundcheck's mods and SBGK's mods to Soundcheck's mods are entirely optional. People can try them or not and use or discard them as they choose. I tend to believe that most folks here are intelligent enough to understand that it's just experimentation. If someone tries the various mods and, after a bit of listening time, feels their system's sound has benefited, then great. If there's no perception of benefit or it's detrimental, they can put things back to the original Logitech settings. Each of gets to form our own, admittedly subjective, opinion/perceptions based on our own experience. Why is that such an affront?

(I'd underline this if I could!) but n the context of this thread , I don't particularly care whether the perceived benefit is real or imagined. I understand that it could, theoretically, be neither, either, or some of both and, in this case, that's actually just fine with me.

It only costs me a few minutes of my time---which is entirely my choice to spend---to try these modifications. Anyone who's read even the tiniest fragment of this and other threads can pretty much figure out that, absent double-blind listening tests, getting to any conclusive, objective evidence of a real positive change doesn't exist. So, then, it becomes subjective and a matter of opinion--to my mind not much different than my arguing that I like Mahler better than Mozart. And, I personally think that's a kind of discussion that can and should be, at the least, tolerated with the clear understanding that we are having that sort of subjective discussion.

Neither of these fellows is trying to hoodwink people out of any money and, from the beginning, this entire thread is about nothing more than the perception of better sound as a result of trying the various mods. I see nothing at all wrong in continuing this thread. I find no small delight---not in the hyperbole, rancor, and attacks from either side of this particular issue---but in the very human quest to "make things better".

Really, if one objects to what Soundcheck, SBGK, and the various other folks who've contributed their tweaks and mods here, pay no more attention to them. Most of us already know that there are substantive objections. The rehashing of those over and over again, along with the personal attacks, is just as annoying to folks who enjoy trying these mods as the "second coming" claims are to those who think the mods are B.S. We've heard both sides ad nauseum.

If the Logitech moderators feel the thread is genuinely detrimental to the product, I have no doubt that this thread would quickly disappear. Otherwise, please allow each of us to weigh the already-stated pros and cons and form our own opinions.

[Soulkeeper]

admittedly subjective

Huh? What thread have you been reading?

Oh well. I'll leave you to your public celebration of subjectivity then.

[rgro]

I'm only speaking for myself. I understand that whatever impressions I, personally, have on these mods--good or bad--are, indeed, subjective.

Frankly, Mr. Soulkeeper, I find the tenor of your response to be unnecessarily churlish. Why bother??? As far as I can see, there's nothing at all in this thread that should interest you other than the, apparently, myriad opportunities for you to take potshots. I leave you to your public celebration of churlishness.

[guidof]

Gotta' vote with Jeff Flowerday, PasTim and HumanMedia. "No harm, no foul." Soundcheck's mods and SBGK's mods to Soundcheck's mods are entirely optional. People can try them or not and use or discard them as they choose. I tend to believe that most folks here are intelligent enough to understand that it's just experimentation. If someone tries the various mods and, after a bit of listening time, feels their system's sound has benefited, then great. If there's no perception of benefit or it's detrimental, they can put things back to the original Logitech settings. Each of gets to form our own, admittedly subjective, opinion/perceptions based on our own experience. Why is that such an affront?

(I'd underline this if I could!) but n the context of this thread , I don't particularly care whether the perceived benefit is real or imagined. I understand that it could, theoretically, be neither, either, or some of both and, in this case, that's actually just fine with me.

It only costs me a few minutes of my time---which is entirely my choice to spend---to try these modifications. Anyone who's read even the tiniest fragment of this and other threads can pretty much figure out that, absent double-blind listening tests, getting to any conclusive, objective evidence of a real positive change doesn't exist. So, then, it becomes subjective and a matter of opinion--to my mind not much different than my arguing that I like Mahler better than Mozart. And, I personally think that's a kind of discussion that can and should be, at the least, tolerated with the clear understanding that we are having that sort of subjective discussion.

Neither of these fellows is trying to hoodwink people out of any money and, from the beginning, this entire thread is about nothing more than the perception of better sound as a result of trying the various mods. I see nothing at all wrong in continuing this thread. I find no small delight---not in the hyperbole, rancor, and attacks from either side of this particular issue---but in the very human quest to "make things better".

Really, if one objects to what Soundcheck, SBGK, and the various other folks who've contributed their tweaks and mods here, pay no more attention to them. Most of us already know that there are substantive objections. The rehashing of those over and over again, along with the personal attacks, is just as annoying to folks who enjoy trying these mods as the "second coming" claims are to those who think the mods are B.S. We've heard both sides ad nauseum.

If the Logitech moderators feel the thread is genuinely detrimental to the product, I have no doubt that this thread would quickly disappear. Otherwise, please allow each of us to weigh the already-stated pros and cons and form our own opinions.

+1!

Well put.

Guido F.

[guidof]

@SBGK:

Thanks for sharing your settings (posts #1817 & 1833).

My first impression, after trying both, is one of more defined details and more sharply outlined individual instruments and singers, resulting in better imaging and somewhat deeper soundstage.

The overall result is that of a more believable and involving musical presentation.

However, in my main system, 1833 seems to be excessively tilted up in the treble. Not so in my headphone rig. For now, and to do some more extended listening, I'll run 1817 and will report back on any further impressions.

Guido F.

[magiccarpetride]

People can no more prove them false than he can prove them true

There is nothing false or true here. It's like saying Beethoven is better than Mozart -- false or true?

When are people going to realize that this is strictly about personal taste? Attacking others because they happen to have different taste is uncivilized.

[PasTim]

There is nothing false or true here. It's like saying Beethoven is better than Mozart -- false or true?

When are people going to realize that this is strictly about personal taste? Attacking others because they happen to have different taste is uncivilized.

I entirely agree (I probably should have put quote marks around 'true' and 'false' to better express what I was trying to say). A briefer version of my post is:

+1