soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

[jmschnur]

I see how you might interpret what I said this way. I didn't go into complete detail in my response, but at least in my field, experiments without any theory-based hypothesis are not a good thing. Without the theory as a foundation for the hypothesis being tested, I agree this would be a fishing expedition and not valid. Sort of like most of the tests of "tweaks" reported in this thread. Many of the questions for the tweakers posted here are in a sense asking for the theory underlying the hypothesis of "different sound" being tested.

You know: inductive based research is making in roads as we are able to get large data sets and then apply sophisticated modeling to them.

[garym]

Makes sense. But I think it also makes sense to allow for a bit of random trial-and-error, you know just stirring up some shit, do a bit of brainstorming, record one's findings, and if the findings turn out to be significant, focus one's attention on trying to find a feasible explanation that would be supported by the time honored principle of Occam's Razor. Before you know it, you might get yourself a new scientific theory

The point being that, unlike the apparently prevailing sentimentality at large, not all the scientific theories have already been formulated, nor have we reached the absolute end of scientific and engineering inventions. There are many uncharted territories to explore. Or, some of us may fancy things being that way.

Excellent thoughts and I'm in complete agreement with these sentiments.

My colleagues and I beat on each other relentlessly when we are brainstorming, thinking out loud, playing with ideas, and swimming in uncharted waters. And we can be downright vicious about it (and that's in person, journal referees can be worse, and they are typically not known (double blind review process)). I guess the difference is that my colleagues and I can beat on each other unmercifully, take notes on it all, but then all smile, genuinely thank each other, and head to the local pub for a post-seminar debrief, focusing on the beer!

At this forum, it seems that being questioned often leads to mean spirited debate and personal attacks. I have a hard time understanding why folks can't report their tweaks, let others question the tweaks and whether they make any sense, and then move on. I'm probably biased, but it always seems to me that it is the tweakers who get upset/insulted at the mere fact of being questioned.

[garym]

You know: inductive based research is making in roads as we are able to get large data sets and then apply sophisticated modeling to them.

true. and I'm familiar with folks doing just that. And in some cases this helps tremendously in theory development that can then lead to more controlled testing.

And to be clear, I'm for all sorts of playing around to have fun at the audio hobby. But when someone lays out for me a comparison/situation where a VERY SIMPLE single-blind comparison would provide a rigorous test of their assertion, I'm troubled when they won't even try. Edit: well "troubled" is a little strong. I don't lose any sleep over it!

[magiccarpetride]

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[garym]

This is because when someone calls me a moron for confessing how I do see a difference in the displayed colors between a stock power cable and a higher-grade power cable plugged into my computer, I feel offended. Someone is very rudely and to my face calling me a liar and an dishonorable person. But I truly do see the differences, at least I'm pretty sure I'm not making them up.

But the thing is that at the same time I do not possess sufficient intellectual rigour required to convincingly expose why would such differences occur. So I'm just at the consumer end reporting my findings. It's like me being into wine tasting and reporting how I prefer year 2002 to 2001 when it comes to some particular brand of French Merlot; would some get upset about such opinions?

Don't shoot the messenger (but they always seem to take the greatest pleasure in shooting the messenger?!?)

I'll have to look at that thread again, but I don't recall anyone calling you a moron. I recall only someone questioning whether this is really possible and maybe you are imagining the effects. In my book, this is very different from calling you a moron. You report a tweak....someone says probably can't happen. Two opposite opinions (before we even worry about the underlying theory/science, etc.). But if you interpret that response as being equivalent to being called a moron, this explains why you believe the messenger is being shot. I don't at all see these as being the same.

edit: I looked at that thread. People were disagreeing with the ENGINEERING of whether the power cord could provide the benefits reported. You reported your beliefs and they reported theirs. It was only toward the end that you began the personal attacks (as I assume questioning whether someone was home schooled was not meant to be interpreted as the person had a particularly good education).

[soundcheck]

Hi folks.

Anything happened over here during the last 2-3 weeks?

People seem to get bored again lately.


Cheers


@SBGK: If you turn off all audio services you don't have to tweak them.

[TheOctavist]

Hmmm,

I am still a big fan of Squeezebox, but in the last time when i see how much time i have spent in the last years configuring and testing different configurations, than i am thinking about another way.

The new power supply, all those software tweaking, and and and.

I just want listen to the music with a best possible quality.

Now i am slowly thinking about another solution - my notebook (which is SBS) can stay in a closet in a corridor outside of my room.

M2Tech USB-SPDIF converter, than ~8m good coax, than my Buffalo II DAC.

On the notebook a Foobar server (or jriver) and on my Android phone app for remote control for Foobar or jriver.

And in a future something lik the "bit teleporter" from Twisted Pear:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/twist...eleporter.html

I am just little tied with trying to do from SBT one high end streamer, which is probably not possible ...

what in the world could POSSIBLY make you think that the m2tech/foobar/jriver thing would be any better?? I am serious about this? because people can't modify the hardware/software because it isnt open source?? (thats the ONLY reason the SBT is tweaked so much!)

i have foobar at my office. it puts out a bit perfect signal as does SBT. as does Jriver. as does Winamp, as does Amarra, as does etc etc etc

have you actually critically LISTENED??? or better yet... Blind Listening? what in gods name makes you think you HAVE to do any of this nonsense? you do realize that many people(learned, audio engineer , science minded, people who make living with their ears) have these SBTs and have felt no need at all to do anything to them because they measure perfectly?

done any audiodiffmaker comparisons or null tests??

if you had, then you would realize that your system is good as a digital system can possibly get.

you realize you dont have to do any of that esoteric bullshit(the process lasso, buffer, etc)

and you also realize that the SBT gives a bit perfect stream, has low jitter(way below threshold of audibility) and therefore IS the highest possible quality solution? IE perfect? the only thing that can be improved on is the DAC(and even that is highly debatable)

quit stressing, reading forum bullshit and listen to your music. you have a good system already, and you dont need to bother with all these tweaks as some here seem to do everytime SBGK says jump. (nothing against you SBGK, you are just reporting your own mythology, and thats fine) seeing some people jump all over SBGK anytime he says something (wow sbgk how did you do that, etc) taking it part and parcel as the truth just because.

its all gotten a bit goddamn silly.

process lasso- sweeter and more airy?

deactivating fidelizer= better source localization?

cmon. now my bullshit meter is going crazy.

so...im off this particular train. klaus, thanks for the tips, and craig(you know who you are) thanks for the scripts!. hours of fun!

[NoRoDa]

Hi folks.

Anything happened over here during the last 2-3 weeks?

People seem to get bored again lately.


Cheers


@SBGK: If you turn off all audio services you don't have to tweak them.

Not much

Still waiting for the TT4.0.
If you want to expand the Norwegian Beta Test Crew, let me know

[letorro]

Hello to everyone. After implementing all the mods I have opened the device and disconnected the screen. I would like to take the next step on and disconnect the optical output. Someone who has done could explain the process and if not too much to put a picture of it?

Thanks in advance.

P.S. Sorry for my english, is courtesy of Google Translate.

[Blablupp]

Hi folks.

Anything happened over here during the last 2-3 weeks?

People seem to get bored again lately.


Cheers


@SBGK: If you turn off all audio services you don't have to tweak them.

Hello Soundcheck,

you made this thread possible. And all the following discussions. Maybe you are happy about people using your mod to test different settings, maybe you`re just laughing about the hype of the last weeks, i don`t know. But i and i think everyone else here is very interested in your opinion about sbgk`s and all the other new tweaks. Did you follow it? Did you test it? What do you think about it?

Thanks
and kölle alaaf!