soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

[NoRoDa]

That's why lots of us run the stock Logitech priorities with the rest of TT 3.0 mods.

Just 'cause you enjoy the loss of the remote, like to have the screen switched off and feel the need to drill a hole in the wall for the ethernet cable?

The TT3.0 doesn't improve the sound, so why bother?

Regards

[NoRoDa]

I would agree, TT3.0 sounds pretty awful in my system as well, I found it unlistenable. But, things have moved on, the priority settings above are a vast improvement on TT3.0 and the Touch default settings, so maybe you need to have a triple blind test which include these settings. You may want to try commenting out the contents of the kernel and tcp section in the TT file as well as there are changes in there that also cause the aggressive forward sound.

At the end of the day we are just adjusting settings in a computer to give the audio related processes etc the best priorities for what it has to do and also reducing noise. TT3.0 was an attempt to do that which made the sound too aggressive and forward, maybe it sounded ok in Soundcheck's system, but there are ways to tame it and retain the benefits.

I would say your donation to Soundcheck was still worth it, you just need to realise that it wasn't the finished article.

I have it tuned pretty optimally and the sound is totally transformed from the Touch factory settings.

LOL!
Totally transformed sound?

A triple blind test, is that a double blind test using records from three blind mice?



I almost tried your "final settings" posted right after your return from beeing banned. But before i managed to do it, you posted a new "final settings" .....

I did my blind testing and found my (surprising) answers.
Maybe you should try it too?

Regards

[NoRoDa]

There seems to be a misunderstanding here - A double blind test is not so called because you are testing 2 alternatives. It is "double blind" because neither the person or persons taking part in the test, nor the organiser of the test know which of the alternatives is in play at any one time.

For example, when testing drugs, neither the patient nor the doctor administering the treatment know whether they are dealing with the real thing or the placebo. The purpose is to eliminate involuntary verbal and non-verbal clues being picked up by the patient.

Just to be clear, the testing I participated in yesterday wasn't double blind or very scientific in any way. We were two persons, and one of us did the switcing between the two SBTs. We took turns listening. After five in a row with the factory SBT connected to WLAN as the best sounding it was clear enough for us.

Others may need more proof, and I won't loose any sleep if people still thinks that TT3.0 makes an improvement in their systems



Regards

[Jeff Flowerday]

Just 'cause you enjoy the loss of the remote, like to have the screen switched off and feel the need to drill a hole in the wall for the ethernet cable?

The TT3.0 doesn't improve the sound, so why bother?

Regards

I leave IR on actually and could use my $70 wireless bridge if I wasn't wired already.

You haven't done your test with the default priorites so how do you know? You are discounting all the mods on your dislike of the default TT 3 priorities which are what makes it harsh over analytical and bright.

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[JJZolx]

Our "problem"? The "best sound in the house" on every test came from the wireless connected factory default SBT!
So yes, there is a difference when implementing TT3.0, it makes the SBT sound worse*.....

Not surprising. Mods that make things sound different aren't always beneficial. And the majority of modifications are done pretty randomly, with the modder just assuming that X or Y will sound better.

[NoRoDa]

I leave IR on actually and could use my $70 wireless bridge if I wasn't wired already.

You haven't done your test with the default priorites so how do you know? You are discounting all the mods on your dislike of the default TT 3 priorities which are what makes it harsh over analytical and bright.

IR and no screen? How is that useful?

Two SBTs, two Teddy PSUs
Setup repeated:
1 - Factory SBT, WLAN, Teddy Pardo PSU
2 - HWmod SBT w/TT3.0 default prio and buffer 3400 tt -v & tt -k, wired LAN, Teddy Pardo PSU

...and you're talkin' prio settings?

All the "truths" are IMO proven wrong.
And, yes I have tried different prio settings and buffer settings.
They don't "totally transform" the sound from the SBT

Close your eyes and listen, I tried it and I was surprised, cool experience!




Regards

[aubuti]

so maybe you need to have a triple blind test which include these settings.

Of course, that's what all the "naysayers" have been missing. To really detect the effects of these revolutionary mods one needs an equally revolutionary test method: triple blind. Please, do tell exactly how that works....

[NoRoDa]

of course, that's what all the "naysayers" have been missing. To really detect the effects of these revolutionary mods one needs an equally revolutionary test method: Triple blind. Please, do tell exactly how that works....

lol!

[Jeff Flowerday]

IR and no screen? How is that useful?

I have gadgets to browse the music library. I like hitting pause quickly on my harmony remote to answer the phone/door or run to the beer fridge.

The screen on the touch is too small from a large distance to be useful at all.

Our opinions on the priorities will just be different I guess.

Just this weekend I backed TT 3.0 off to upgrade the firmware on my touch. I went back and forth between my touch and my PC running JRiver with a M2Tech Hiface.

The PC was my constant and a quick switch back and forth between each revealed the changes for good or worst that TT 3.0 did to the touch.

I always preferred the sound from the PC but the TT 3.0 + Logitech priorities was the closest I could get the Touch to it.

Of course everyone else's mileage will vary each DAC responds differently.

[magiccarpetride]

Try harder

Today I participated in a blind test between two SBTs, a true eye-opener!!

Differences? Hell yeah, a WLAN factory default SBT with Teddy PSU does sound different from a wired-LAN HWmod TT3.0 default SBT with Teddy PSU!

We took turns listening while the other person switched between the players. Both of us did pick the "best sound in the house" on the same player every time.

Our "problem"? The "best sound in the house" on every test came from the wireless connected factory default SBT!
So yes, there is a difference when implementing TT3.0, it makes the SBT sound worse*.....

We did more tests too, on the HWmod and the Teddy PSU.
Blind testing the fun'n'easy way. This is one, and this is the other, wich one do you like the most?

*- YMMV of course. You may actually enjoy the brighter, sharper, more edgy and mechanical sound of TT3.0

I donated $$$ to soundcheck, I "heard" TT3.0 sound better than stock, I "heard" differences when changing priority setting, and now I must admit I was wrong. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!


Regards

Try even harder! There could not be any differences in the sound quality between two SBTs. It's just not scientifically possible. You guys are merely imagining things. How can Teddy PSU realistically make any difference? Explain that if you can!