Squeezebox touch DLNA & UPNP?

[scrutinity]

Hi everybody,

Im really exited about the squeezebox touch, was gonna buy the Philips but the touch looks like a much better option, I bought it online and im expecting to receive it in the upcoming days, I was browsing through the web and came across this review: http://www.trustedreviews.com/multim...zebox-Touch/p1 / they mention the touch lacks UPNP & DLNA functions? i thought this was standard with all squeezeboxes, my setup was thought to be, my popcorn hour A-110 as a server which has upnp functions and where I have 2TB with all my music connected by Ethernet cable to an N router and to connect the touch wirelessly to the router, the touch would pick up my music and use my ipod touch as a controller with ipeng, now having read the review I don't think this is gonna work, any thoughts on this? is upnp and dlna a hardware thing or can it be implemented by a firmware update we could hopefully get in a future? the idea of having a computer on is not appealing and i have all my multimedia in my popcorn which i thought and hope the touch will pick up on, if not in the review they mention some specific NAS that support the touch which i'll have to buy to stream from, what is everyone doing, the idead of having a sd card is appealing for small libraries 32gb max, and having a harddrive plugged at all times for large libraries dont quite know how that would work, i keep my popcorn on at all time, and when not in use the popcorn puts the hdd to sleep, would the touch do this with an external hdd to avoid having the hdd spinning 24/7? a lot of questions i hope some one is savvy enough to suggest something or help out, thanks!!!



Regards,

Angel

[JohnSwenson]

UPNP and DLNA are supported through the SqueezeboxServer, not the player. If you put SBS on the same computer (or NAS) the music drives are on then that server can be a UPNP client. But if SBS is already on the computer with the music files you don't need to do that since SBS can get at the files directly. The only reason you would want to use the UPNP client capability is if you already had a control system setup for that which you want to continue to use. Since you mention using iPeng it sounds like you are willing to use a Squeeze specific control method (rather than a UPNP controller).

So just put SBS on the box the drive is plugged into and you can use either use SBS direct from the files (using iPeng or any other SB control method), or use the UPNP server to stream to SBS which will stream to the Touch.

The Touch has a stripped down version of the SBS but it has a number of things turned off in order for it to run on the Touch, one of those things is UPNP support. You CAN plug a drive into the Touch and use the builtin server, but there are limitations (no webUI, no pluggins, no UPNP). In addition some people are having some problems with using the builtin server. If you already have a computer the music drive is connected to you will almost always have a better experience putting SBS on that computer rather than putting the drive directly on the Touch.

John S.

[Muele]

Short answer: No, The touch is not a upnp/dnla client. No, Popcorn hour will not run the necesary squeezeboxserver software.

So you will have to look for another solution. I recommend setting up a server of some kind that can serve both pop and touch. It could be an old scap-laptop running the software from vortexbox.com. Or just a netbook. The squeezeboxes support wake on LAN, so if the pop does as well, you could suspend the server when not in use and have it wake automatically when needed. You could also plug an external harddrive into the touch and let it serve itself and the pop. But from what I hear, that solution is not working optimally due to the touch's limited hardware.

[Muele]

By the way, out of curiosity for other reasons: How did you find these forums? Was there a link on the logitech website, did you google for it, or some other way?

[scrutinity]

thanks Muele & John S.

I've decided as suggested to buy a NAS where i can put the SBS and feed both the pop & touch, hope installing the free nas software on the NAS wont be a pain, by the way i found the forum by going to logitech website and posting under wireless devices i found a sticky that redirected me to this forum posted by Mike_M

thanks.

[agillis]

thanks Muele & John S.

I've decided as suggested to buy a NAS where i can put the SBS and feed both the pop & touch, hope installing the free nas software on the NAS wont be a pain, by the way i found the forum by going to logitech website and posting under wireless devices i found a sticky that redirected me to this forum posted by Mike_M

thanks.

Your best bet is to buy a NAS with SBS already install like a VortexBox appliance.

[mdm]

Short answer: No, The touch is not a upnp/dnla client. So you will have to look for another solution. I recommend setting up a server of some kind that can serve both pop and touch. It could be an old scap-laptop running the software from vortexbox.com. Or just a netbook....

I'm sorry but what is "the software from vortexbox.com" for?

I've got almost the same setup - WD NAS connected to the router (this noisy pair are living in the far corner) and a notebook connected to them by air. So when I'm going to listen to my digital music I have to connect my laptop to the Amp via an external DAC = crapy sound and busy laptop.
well I've thought the Touch with attached HDD solve this problem, but it looks like it won't due TinySC constraints.

So will it be ok to install full SBS on my laptop and manage NAS located library and playback streaming to Touch via single wifi-g connection? Will it cope with the traffic?

rgds,

Mike.

[alfista]

I'm sorry but what is "the software from vortexbox.com" for?

It's an instant server for Squeezeboxes, just add PC. It also does ripping.

So when I'm going to listen to my digital music I have to connect my laptop to the Amp via an external DAC = crapy sound and busy laptop.
well I've thought the Touch with attached HDD solve this problem, but it looks like it won't due TinySC constraints.

So will it be ok to install full SBS on my laptop and manage NAS located library and playback streaming to Touch via single wifi-g connection? Will it cope with the traffic?

That sounds like putting the cart before the horse. Your laptop is still busy and having the server accessing the music via the network is less than optimal. The preferred setup IMHO is having the disk(s) containing the music directly connected to the hardware that runs the Squeezebox server, be it a NAS or some other dedicated server or a regular laptop/desktop. In some situations this could also be the server running in a Touch. What are the "constraints" in the TinySC that prevent you from going that route?

[garym]

I recently setup a system with TOUCH attached to USB harddrive (with its own power) containing about 54,000 mp3/aac files. Running tinySC and works smoothly. Edit: and the Touch is connected via WIFI for purposes of streaming internet radio, pandora, etc. with about a 65% wifi signal.

[mdm]

The preferred setup IMHO is having the disk(s) containing the music directly connected to the hardware that runs the Squeezebox server...

agree, but I have no other computers just my laptop... that is why I choosed Touch not Duet or any. Touch is an elegant solution, so I'll give it a try before considering a datacentre setup around my place...
thks for reply.

I recently setup a system with TOUCH attached to USB harddrive (with its own power) containing about 54,000 mp3/aac files. Running tinySC and works smoothly. Edit: and the Touch is connected via WIFI for purposes of streaming internet radio, pandora, etc. with about a 65% wifi signal.

that's good. you calm me down. thks.