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    Yes the Touch can work fine stand alone, once you have done the initial firmware update.

    I think many of the problems people are seeing is caused by the server going belly up, when this happens it tries to find a server on the network and gets rather frantic if it can't find a server to connect to.

    Why does the server die? The most likely cause is that music is trying to be played while the scanning is still happening. This can easily push the system over the edge and kill the server.

    A frequent cause of this is having the drive plugged in when powering up the Touch. When this is done a scan automatically starts, but it doesn't give ANY indication that this is happening, there is no way to tell if its running or not.

    The best way around this is to ALWAYS plug the drive in after the Touch is booted and up and running, this will start the server and give the option to observe whats happening. This way you can tell when the scan is done.

    The very first time you plug in the drive it will do a full scan which can take a LONG time. Once that is successfully completed each subsequent attachment of the drive will do a quick scan looking for new files. On a large collection with a lot of files that might take 15 to 20 minutes. Make sure not to try and do anything with the Touch while its still scanning.

    If the "quick" scan is taking longer than 45 minutes there is a very good chance the database is corrupted. In this case you should stop the server and do a wipe and rescan. This deletes the database and starts over.

    If you have successfully completed the full scan, ejected the drive, disconnected the drive, disconnected power to the Touch, powered back up, connected the drive, waited for the scan to complete and you are STILL having problems then we can go into details about your system and exactly what you are doing and what you are seeing.

    John S.

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    Got the touch but why thisrandom...(multiple issues)

    Yes the Touch can work fine stand alone, once you have done the initial
    firmware update.

    I think many of the problems people are seeing is caused by the server
    going belly up, when this happens it tries to find a server on the
    network and gets rather frantic if it can't find a server to connect
    to.

    Why does the server die? The most likely cause is that music is trying
    to be played while the scanning is still happening. This can easily
    push the system over the edge and kill the server.

    A frequent cause of this is having the drive plugged in when powering
    up the Touch. When this is done a scan automatically starts, but it
    doesn't give ANY indication that this is happening, there is no way to
    tell if its running or not.

    The best way around this is to ALWAYS plug the drive in after the Touch
    is booted and up and running, this will start the server and give the
    option to observe whats happening. This way you can tell when the scan
    is done.

    The very first time you plug in the drive it will do a full scan which
    can take a LONG time. Once that is successfully completed each
    subsequent attachment of the drive will do a quick scan looking for new
    files. On a large collection with a lot of files that might take 15 to
    20 minutes. Make sure not to try and do anything with the Touch while
    its still scanning.

    If the "quick" scan is taking longer than 45 minutes there is a very
    good chance the database is corrupted. In this case you should stop the
    server and do a wipe and rescan. This deletes the database and starts
    over.

    If you have successfully completed the full scan, ejected the drive,
    disconnected the drive, disconnected power to the Touch, powered back
    up, connected the drive, waited for the scan to complete and you are
    STILL having problems then we can go into details about your system and
    exactly what you are doing and what you are seeing.

    John S.


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    Quote Originally Posted by R Johnson View Post
    I could play standalone local music from an SD card. But as related in my thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77523 a network connection is needed for certain functionality.
    Well, the clock screensaver won't show the correct time (big deal - it's not a clock) but it plays music from SD or USB without a wi-fi/ethernet connection...
    You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...
    Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables
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    Got the touch but why thisrandom...(multiple issues)

    R Johnson;545276 Wrote:
    > I could play standalone local music from an SD card. But as related in
    > my thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77523 a
    > network connection is needed for certain functionality.


    Well, the clock screensaver won't show the correct time (big deal -
    it's not a clock) but it plays music from SD or USB without a
    wi-fi/ethernet connection...


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSwenson View Post
    The very first time you plug in the drive it will do a full scan which can take a LONG time. Once that is successfully completed each subsequent attachment of the drive will do a quick scan looking for new files. On a large collection with a lot of files that might take 15 to 20 minutes. Make sure not to try and do anything with the Touch while its still scanning.
    A 15 or 20 minute wait on power up before one can play music pretty much makes the Touch rather useless as a stand alone server if the user wants USB drive powered off when he's not listening.

    I bought my Touch to use as a player for my existing Squeezebox music server system. It has worked quite well in that capacity (though it's had a few flaky moments that are reminiscent of the early Duet) so I'm pretty happy.

    However, out of curiosity, I gave the Touch stand alone server three solid tries with two different external USB drives and never did get satisfactory results. If I'd bought the Touch solely for use in that capacity, I'd be very disappointed - that option is way too erratic for me.

    Maybe the word is touchy....

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    Got the touch but why thisrandom...(multiple issues)

    JohnSwenson;545279 Wrote:
    > The very first time you plug in the drive it will do a full scan which
    > can take a LONG time. Once that is successfully completed each
    > subsequent attachment of the drive will do a quick scan looking for new
    > files. On a large collection with a lot of files that might take 15 to
    > 20 minutes. Make sure not to try and do anything with the Touch while
    > its still scanning.


    A 15 or 20 minute wait on power up before one can play music pretty
    much makes the Touch rather useless as a stand alone server if the user
    wants USB drive powered off when he's not listening.

    I bought my Touch to use as a player for my existing Squeezebox music
    server system. It has worked quite well in that capacity (though it's
    had a few flaky moments that are reminiscent of the early Duet) so I'm
    pretty happy.

    However, out of curiosity, I gave the Touch stand alone server three
    solid tries with two different external USB drives and never did get
    satisfactory results. If I'd bought the Touch solely for use in that
    capacity, I'd be very disappointed - that option is way too erratic for
    me.

    Maybe the word is touchy....


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    Quote Originally Posted by mlsstl View Post
    A 15 or 20 minute wait on power up before one can play music pretty much makes the Touch rather useless as a stand alone server if the user wants USB drive powered off when he's not listening.
    Hmmm, I think the waiting 20 minutes is not if the USB drive turns itself off, but rather if it is detached then reattached. I have a touch, but run it off my main SbS rather than using tinySbS. But I can say I had my brother buy a TOUCH. He knows nothing about any of this stuff. Over the phone, I walked him through setting it up for the first time, updating firmware, adding mysb.com credentials, etc. Then I had him attach his USB drive (with about 50,000+ tracks) and told him to let it scan overnight before he touched it again. He followed these instructions and has been using it for about 2 weeks now with no issues at all. His USB drive (which is a 1TB, 3 or 4 years old, and has its own power supply) stays attached, but does go into sleep mode when not accessed for a while. He has fairly instant access to his music when coming back from "sleep" mode.

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    Got the touch but why thisrandom...(multiple issues)

    mlsstl;545302 Wrote:
    > A 15 or 20 minute wait on power up before one can play music pretty much
    > makes the Touch rather useless as a stand alone server if the user wants
    > USB drive powered off when he's not listening.
    >


    Hmmm, I think the waiting 20 minutes is not if the USB drive turns
    itself off, but rather if it is detached then reattached. I have a
    touch, but run it off my main SbS rather than using tinySbS. But I can
    say I had my brother buy a TOUCH. He knows nothing about any of this
    stuff. Over the phone, I walked him through setting it up for the first
    time, updating firmware, adding mysb.com credentials, etc. Then I had
    him attach his USB drive (with about 50,000+ tracks) and told him to
    let it scan overnight before he touched it again. He followed these
    instructions and has been using it for about 2 weeks now with no issues
    at all. His USB drive (which is a 1TB, 3 or 4 years old, and has its own
    power supply) stays attached, but does go into sleep mode when not
    accessed for a while. He has fairly instant access to his music when
    coming back from "sleep" mode.


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    Quote Originally Posted by garym View Post
    Hmmm, I think the waiting 20 minutes is not if the USB drive turns itself off, but rather if it is detached then reattached. I have a touch, but run it off my main SbS rather than using tinySbS. But I can say I had my brother buy a TOUCH. He knows nothing about any of this stuff. Over the phone, I walked him through setting it up for the first time, updating firmware, adding mysb.com credentials, etc. Then I had him attach his USB drive (with about 50,000+ tracks) and told him to let it scan overnight before he touched it again. He followed these instructions and has been using it for about 2 weeks now with no issues at all. His USB drive (which is a 1TB, 3 or 4 years old, and has its own power supply) stays attached, but does go into sleep mode when not accessed for a while. He has fairly instant access to his music when coming back from "sleep" mode.
    That wasn't my experience and I've got 46,000 tracks on my drive. (I've got two backups and tried both of them.)

    I'm not saying that the Touch's Tiny SBS doesn't work for some people as intended, but one can see from these forums that things have been pretty erratic. My Squeezebox experience dates back 8 or 9 years to the very first SliMP3 so its not like this is my first exposure.

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    Got the touch but why thisrandom...(multiple issues)

    garym;545305 Wrote:
    > Hmmm, I think the waiting 20 minutes is not if the USB drive turns
    > itself off, but rather if it is detached then reattached. I have a
    > touch, but run it off my main SbS rather than using tinySbS. But I can
    > say I had my brother buy a TOUCH. He knows nothing about any of this
    > stuff. Over the phone, I walked him through setting it up for the first
    > time, updating firmware, adding mysb.com credentials, etc. Then I had
    > him attach his USB drive (with about 50,000+ tracks) and told him to
    > let it scan overnight before he touched it again. He followed these
    > instructions and has been using it for about 2 weeks now with no issues
    > at all. His USB drive (which is a 1TB, 3 or 4 years old, and has its own
    > power supply) stays attached, but does go into sleep mode when not
    > accessed for a while. He has fairly instant access to his music when
    > coming back from "sleep" mode.


    That wasn't my experience and I've got 46,000 tracks on my drive. (I've
    got two backups and tried both of them.)

    I'm not saying that the Touch's Tiny SBS doesn't work for some people
    as intended, but one can see from these forums that things have been
    pretty erratic. My Squeezebox experience dates back 8 or 9 years to the
    very first SliMP3 so its not like this is my first exposure.


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