After the disaster known as the Squeezebox Duet why would anyone get a Touch? To go thru the same troubles all over again? No thanks to the power of ten....
And Now The Touch?
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Setting up the Touch was as easy as it was to set up my SB3. Actually, it's easier because the Touch interface gives you a virtual keyboard to use to enter usernames and passwords, which is a lot easier to use than the remote.
The Duet has come a long way since it was initially released. It has had taken time to stabilize, but it has. Given that both the Duet (controller specifically) and Touch are based on the SqueezeOS architecture, the Touch has benefited from the maturity of the Duet.Rich
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Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch, SqueezeCommander, OrangeSqueeze, and SqueezePlayer on Xoom and Galaxy Player 4.2. CentOS 6.3 Server running LogitechMediaServer 7.7.2 and SqueezeSlave.
Current library stats: 40,810 songs, 3,153 albums, 582 artists.
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Strange, I'm using my Duet for somewhat two years now, moved twice, had every server version between 7.2 and 7.5 (except 7.4.x) on 4 machines with 5 different OS configurations, 5 different network setups and 3 different routers (3 different i-net providers and some weeks in between without i-net), and had no problems so far. But maybe I'm just lucky...SC 7.6.1 on QNAP TS-219P, 37k mp3, Duet / Boom / Radio
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Second, the Touch's release was intentionally delayed to minimize those types of issues. I've had mine running in my system for 12 days now.
Of course, no product ever made by any company is going to work perfectly for everyone. It is simply impossible for a computer products company to anticipate and test for every single possible variable in computers, operating systems & software installation, wireless routers and so on.
If you look back through the forum archives, you'll find people who had difficulty with the earliest Squeezebox models. Those who wish to pretend there were no issues with the SB Classic and prior models are simply choosing to remain willfully ignorant.Comment
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Touch is good release and a very good product ? it has some issues ofcourse.
But works right out of the box for most users.
This is a much better than the initial Duet debacle.
Kudos to Logitech for getting closer the goal regarding smooth releases ( from customer perspective )--------------------------------------------------------------------
Main hifi: Rasbery PI digi+ MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub.
Bedroom/Office: Boom
Loggia: Raspi hifiberry dac + Adams
Bathroom : Radio (with battery)
iPad with iPengHD & SqueezePad
(spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller )
server Intel NUC Esxi VM Linux mint 18 LMS 7.9.2
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If you don't own a Touch, keep your undocumented and false statements to yourself!
Second, as others have already pointed out, the Touch basically has nothing in common with the Duet. The Touch can more closely be related to the SB3 IE it is the SB4, the SB3s replacement. Yes it is a smart device where the SB3 was a dumb device, but the Touch in no way is trying to do what a Duet does or is it the replacement for the Duet.
More importantly, I would be willing to bet that you don't own a Touch so you have no idea what you are talking about and more over are again making statements from no point in fact!
You sir are nothing but a Troll since you obviously don't even own a Touch and have no way to make any comparisons much less objective factual statements. How about growing a brain and checking the Forum before you type. Are there any other posts comparing the Touch to the Duet? I will save you some time, there are not. The postings and feedback on the Touch are overwhelmingly positive! Is it perfect and will even do the dishes, it will not. Is it for everybody, again it is not. Is it a great addition to the Squeezebox line of products? It is and again the postings and feedback point this out!iPhone
Media Room:
ModWright Platinum Signature Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer
Living Room:
Transporter, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1
Office: Touch with Vandersteen VSM-1s
Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s
Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM
Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio
Around the House: SliMP3, SB1, SB2, SB3
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Is the Duet WiFi Network sensitive, in my opinion it is. Ninety-five precent of all issues with the Duet can be traced back to an improperly setup WiFi Network or one that has interference or is performing poorly. This is in no way Logitech's fault or the Duet's for that matter. It is directly related to the fact that the complaining owner will not take the time or do what is necessary to resolve his own WiFi issue which is at the root of the problem. Just because a laptop works OK on a WiFi network doesn't mean that network is healthy and properly setup. Downloading Email and Webpages on a bad WiFi Network will still work without showing major problems, attempting to stream real time audio is a completely different story.
You sir are nothing but a Troll
Re networking some users also cheap out on very bad "broadband" deals with very low speeds and a lot of throttling etc.
So the ISP is crap but they still blame the Squeezebox when they get no internet radio.
If you want to use internet get a good ISP.
Sadly he is good Troll, he provoked 9 post's from a vague negative and clueless post ? But it has o be met with some kind of response, hence sometimes you have to go with it
My duet has also worked for 2 years now initial setup was finicky for me, it have had it's period but always been usable and up for it when it's time for some music. It has some design limitations, but it's made to price piont so it's ok.
But now I'm back to be impressed by my Touch
"And Now the Touch "
Read the post carefully these are not you average users fiddling with it.
Some like to plays 24/96 hirez with it.
Some like to use the limited "Tiny" server with an 50000 track collections ?
Or connect networks shares and whatnot's ?
Demanding users with vocal opinions that are not Easy to please.
So it's not many average Joe's pleading for help with basic things that's not fits in with 95% category of flawed local network or internet conection.--------------------------------------------------------------------
Main hifi: Rasbery PI digi+ MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub.
Bedroom/Office: Boom
Loggia: Raspi hifiberry dac + Adams
Bathroom : Radio (with battery)
iPad with iPengHD & SqueezePad
(spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller )
server Intel NUC Esxi VM Linux mint 18 LMS 7.9.2
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables
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Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything.Comment
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I agree. I bought my Duet more than a year ago, that day I got home at about 10 PM and by 2 AM the thing wasn't working. I decided that this was maybe due to the fact that I had a couple of beers while configuring the thing so I gave it a try the next morning. By noon nothing is working and I'm cursing and willing to return the thing because I though the WiFi network couldn't be the cause. After some troubleshooting on the network side I noticed that the problem was that my old Linksys Travel Router crashed when the Duet tried to connect. Linksys provided no help and no firmware updates for this box so I changed to an Apple Airport Express (similar form and factor than the Linksys) and voila! Since this is in my living room me, my family and our guests have enjoyed the system a LOT! Can't wait to get a Touch to replace my Linux+SqueezePlay+DAC arrangement in my listening room.Duet + AudioEngine A2 powered speakers, Radio, Touch + Margulles Hybrid ACRH 1.2 + SA-2 speakers.Comment
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Touch and Controller have some commonality, don't they?
Second, as others have already pointed out, the Touch basically has nothing in common with the Duet. The Touch can more closely be related to the SB3 IE it is the SB4, the SB3s replacement. Yes it is a smart device where the SB3 was a dumb device, but the Touch in no way is trying to do what a Duet does or is it the replacement for the Duet.
Calling the Duet a "disaster" is extreme, but it definitly had some growing pains that had nothing to do with network configuration. The initial setup didn't handle a server that had security enabled well and there was a bug where the controller would lockup and reboot itself when navigating the music library.
Fast foward to today and the Duet is a much better and stable product. In my mind, part of the success of the Touch is due the stability and maturity that the Duet has attained. Am I out in left field again?Rich
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Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch, SqueezeCommander, OrangeSqueeze, and SqueezePlayer on Xoom and Galaxy Player 4.2. CentOS 6.3 Server running LogitechMediaServer 7.7.2 and SqueezeSlave.
Current library stats: 40,810 songs, 3,153 albums, 582 artists.
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And you left out the Radio, which also uses much of the same code.
'SqueezeOS' is maturing.
(Of course, it helps that the operating model of the Radio and Touch are also simpler: there isn't a headless device they need to talk to... there is no doubt some confusion when setting up SBR's whether you're talking to the SBC or the SBR... The Touch and Radio don't have that layer of confusion to them.)Comment
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