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    RC (Inguz etc.)

    Hello fellow audiophiles

    Anyone uses Inguz, Convolver (http://convolver.sourceforge.net/) or something else?

    I have few peeks and deeps below 120Hz, I do not want full-scale RC..
    I do not know if I want at all, experimenting today with Inguz was awful..

    If anyone has positive experience, please share it

    Michael

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    RC (Inguz etc.)

    On 09/04/10 21:07, michael123 wrote:
    >
    > Hello fellow audiophiles
    >
    > Anyone uses Inguz, Convolver (http://convolver.sourceforge.net/) or
    > something else?
    >
    > I have few peeks and deeps below 120Hz, I do not want full-scale RC..
    > I do not know if I want at all, experimenting today with Inguz was
    > awful
    >
    > If anyone has positive expierence, please share it


    I've had a DEQ2496 in my Transporter FX loop ever since it was enabled
    in firmware. I would strongly recommend trying one over software-based
    solutions. Make sure you get a mic too.

    R.

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    Inguz works fine. Inguz w/DRC is a bit more challenging. I spent a bunch of time getting that up and functional....only to find that it wasn't really what I expected.

    I thought there were some small improvements in certain aspects of the sound, at the expense of some larger issues that DRC was causing with signal clipping, etc. Don't expect the massive "OMG" sonic revelations that some have claimed on the internet. Ain't true unless you had some serious sound problems beforehand.

    Another issue with DRC (despite it's interesting concept) is that it does not lend itself to "lifestyle" listening. That is, good sound throughout the room. Unless you confine yourself to a very small listening area, you are likely to hear noticeably degraded sound. That's a big negative here.

    In all....it was a lot of futzing around, and in the end it proved mostly unsatisfactory for me.

    The DEQ2496 on the other hand is a really cool box, utterly transparent in the TPs digital FX loop and it's a lot of fun to play with. It's not "DRC" but it does in fact work well at a rock bottom price. Don't bother with the Auto-EQ. I think that feature is for entertainment purposes only.

    Using the DEQ2496s Parametric functions works well for taming those low-freq peaks and seems to result in a better listening experience anywhere in the room. It is also possible to use Room EQ Wizard to create precise EQ "filters" which can be transmitted via MIDI to the DEQ2496. I haven't done it...but you can.

    My thoughts...
    Last edited by Curt962; 2010-04-09 at 21:55.

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    learning curve

    If you search around here you'll find many experienced users of Inguz DRC that consider it a crucial component in their systems. That being said, there is a steep learning curve and frustration at the beginning is part of the process. I have been using it for several years and seem to get better outcomes each time I use it. If you have to place speakers in a less than ideal location for practical reasons as I do it can be a tremendous benefit.

    It will effectively correct bass issues - but in my experience this can sometimes reduce the impact of some recordings. It took me some time to realize this, but sometimes that uneven measured LF response we hate to see is simply part of what we expect from certain types of music and venues. I've heard more than a few DRC users complain that the process "takes their bass away." For example, the gentle LF rolloff Inguz often gives me makes bass guitar lines much more definition, but sometimes reduces the kick of a bass drum. I generally am willing to accept the modest compromise, but sometimes turn off Inguz when I feel things are sounding too "controlled". The other option Inguz offers is a flatness control that allows you add back in some of the defects you've worked so hard to correct. Its funny how you reach for it after all the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt962 View Post
    Inguz works fine. Inguz w/DRC is a bit more challenging. I spent a bunch of time getting that up and functional....only to find that it wasn't really what I expected.

    I thought there were some small improvements in certain aspects of the sound, at the expense of some larger issues that DRC was causing with signal clipping, etc. Don't expect the massive "OMG" sonic revelations that some have claimed on the internet. Ain't true unless you had some serious sound problems beforehand.

    Another issue with DRC (despite it's interesting concept) is that it does not lend itself to "lifestyle" listening. That is, good sound throughout the room. Unless you confine yourself to a very small listening area, you are likely to hear noticeably degraded sound. That's a big negative here.

    In all....it was a lot of futzing around, and in the end it proved mostly unsatisfactory for me.
    I can't comment on Inguz as I haven't tried it yet. However you seem to be talking about DRC in general... and certainly my experiences with the TACT hardware/software solution are very different to the ones you describe:

    1) When properly setup there is no catastrophic fall-off outside of the sweet spot - quite the opposite in fact, the sound is remarkably consistent as you move around the room.

    2) Clipping on peak boosts is easily avoided using the TACT or GV software. You do need a clean preamp as the overall level has to be reduced to avoid the clipping, so up to 10dB of makeup gain post-processing is required from the pre-amp.

    3) On my system it is a very significant improvement - biggest impactive upgrade after the speakers and their active x-overs/amps. Everybody who has heard me turn the DRC off has asked for it to go back on. This includes my wife who is both the biggest critic of me spending money on stuff and the biggest sceptic that my upgrades are actually improvements...

    4) It takes about an hour to do the measurements and fiddle with the software - after that its truly a "fit and forget" solution.

    Is it an "OMG" moment? - for me I'd say yes, in as much as it was a much bigger improvement than changing DACS, for example. Yes, it does depend how "bad" your room is in the first place and it's never going to totally compensate for stone floors or too much glass - but it is pretty darn good IMO. It does also help if your speakers have a reasonable on/off axis response to begin with ( far too many don't).
    You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...
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    Thanks for your responses.

    I've been using Room EQ Wizard for half a year, that's how I know about these peaks/deeps. I have all the necessary pieces, ECM8000 mic and Tascam US-144 sound card, etc.

    I do not want to buy (at this point) another hardware (DEQX, Behringer, TacT, Lyngdorf..)

    I think that software solution shall be superior. In the end, that's what is running inside these HW boxes.

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    Question inguz & 7.5?

    does anyone have this combo working? - if so, any tips on how to install?
    You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Leigh View Post
    does anyone have this combo working? - if so, any tips on how to install?
    Yes, sure.
    The question is however not "how to install", but "how to patch" :-)

    Once you install from InguzAudio, take the attached file and replace it in Plugins/InguzEQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael123 View Post
    Yes, sure.
    The question is however not "how to install", but "how to patch" :-)

    Once you install from InguzAudio, take the attached file and replace it in Plugins/InguzEQ
    Great - thank you - I will try it later
    You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...
    Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables
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    Hmmm...

    well it feels like I have half installed it!
    I can see an EQ icon in the Web UI but clicking it produces a 404 (page not found) error.
    My filetypes have all been changed to Inguzdsp and Inguzdsp is being invoked - files still play OK.
    I think my attempt to manually install the plugin have not worked. It's been a long time since I had to manually install a plugin - I've probably not put it in the correct directory for 7.5...
    Michael (or anyone!) - does this look correct to you?
    You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...
    Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables
    Stax4070+SRM7/II phones
    Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything.

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