Touch start up time?

[aubuti]

Power switches should be mandatory, that's what I think.

And not just any power switch, but a switch that actually cuts the power, like your power strip does. The power switch on most devices with remote controls only puts them into standby, so adding that kind of switch to an SB gains nothing.

[iPhone]

Actually that's what I do..

Almost all appliances are off when I'm not at home.
Well, the fridge has to stay on, and that's a biggy.
But imho this stand-by-humbug wastes much too much energy world-wide.
Those multi-outlet power thingies I have to use now are so ugly!

Power switches should be mandatory, that's what I think.

The amount of energy a Squeezebox in Standby uses is insignificant. Also what good is a wireless LAN device that has to be turned on by a power switch to use it when it has remotes, wireless controllers, and can be used from a WebUI. Kind of defeats the purpose of the device.

If you just have to turn yours off, plug it into a power strip and turn it on and off manually (that is if you believe in the global warning myth).

[toby10]

The amount of energy a Squeezebox in Standby uses is insignificant. Also what good is a wireless LAN device that has to be turned on by a power switch to use it when it has remotes, wireless controllers, and can be used from a WebUI. Kind of defeats the purpose of the device.

If you just have to turn yours off, plug it into a power strip and turn it on and off manually (that is if you believe in the global warning myth).

+1

For that matter, if one really dislikes power strips, plug all such devices into a wall outlet that is controlled by a light switch.
No more ugly, no more polar bear drownings, everyone is happy!

[thomasfoerster]

As much as I dislike your "global warming myth", I really appreciate the light switch idea...
And, even if it was a myth - that doesn't mean I should have more than my necessary share in resource exploitation.
What's your point in turning down the idea of a power switch for those who think it came in handy?

[DaveWr]

Without trying to seem Continentist?, our American colleagues have cheap energy. Only recently has considerations of energy saving become an issue. Forget Global Warming the US is no longer self sufficient in energy, so you will have to change as the global economic energy situation starts to have an effect on the local pricing policy.

Product lines that depend on international sales need to meet energy conscious criteria, or limited sales. It's all about common sense, not wasting resources if there is no need to. It is interesting about Europeans on this Forum very interested in WOL and server sleep issues.

I am reasonably sure that time will increase agreement on these issues, economic ans social pressures, independent of global warming.

On the issue of remote standby switches, as has been said, you have to switch multiple devices with one switch or else the switch consumes as much standby power as the devices themselves.

[toby10]

Without trying to seem Continentist?, our American colleagues have cheap energy. Only recently has considerations of energy saving become an issue. Forget Global Warming the US is no longer self sufficient in energy, so you will have to change as the global economic energy situation starts to have an effect on the local pricing policy....

AMEN! We should have been building small nukes all along, like France. What are they up to now, like 70% nuke power? They did it (and continue to do it) right in regards to power generation.

For the power switch at your AV devices: another option to consider is a combo power center + power conditioning + surge protector system. I use Furman, but there are plenty to choose from. Mine has two switches, one is the main cut off for the entire unit (four circuits), the second is a three circuit (six outlet) delayed & sequenced power ON/OFF.

Furman PS-8R (series II)
http://www.furmansound.com/product.p...01&id=PS-8R_II

[Philip Meyer]

>The amount of energy a Squeezebox in Standby uses is insignificant.
It's not insignificant. But I wasn't thinking from a wastage of energy point of view.

Sometimes I just don't need or even want the device on. eg. if I am going away for a week, I don't want my device to be triggered from an alarm to play music all week. Chances are my PC will be off anyway. I could go through the menus and turn off all alarms, but then I'd have to remember to turn them back on again, whereas simply turning off/on the device is easier. There's just no need for it to be on.

As my power strip is under the desk, and doesn't have individual on/off switches, I'd have to fiddle with plugs under the desk (so I yank the power cable out of the back of the unit instead), which is cumbersome.

Why is there such a resistance to a simple on/off rocker on the back of the Squeezebox units? Everything else in the world has one.

[bpa]

Why is there such a resistance to a simple on/off rocker on the back of the Squeezebox units? Everything else in the world has one.

Radio has an on/off button which can do true power off - Touch could have had one - perhaps there were design/cost issues.

[peterw]

Radio has an on/off button which can do true power off - Touch could have had one - perhaps there were design/cost issues.

It doesn't do true power off, but it does come close. When "really off" but still plugged in, my pre-production Radio (without a battery) uses about one third of a watt. That is, my power meter which measures to the 1/100 amp fluctuates between 0.00 and 0.01 amps at 120V. Call it 0.005 A (sorry I'm too lazy to hook up my normal multimeter that would give me more precise current measurements), and that's 0.6 VA. My meter says the power factor is just shy of 60, so that's about 0.36 watts (my meter reports true watts RMS but doesn't report fractions of watts).

To hit 0 watts you need to unplug the power supply.

If a bunch of folks want true physical power switches, well, build 'em. All you need is a couple right-sized barrel plugs (an M and a F), an inline switch, a 2-conductor wire, and some solder. Probably a couple bucks from Mouser. Beta testers remember that our pre-production units use different sized connectors than the final retail units (the pre-prodution gear uses the same size connector as the SB3, which is dangerous since the Radio power supply puts out higher voltage; Logitech, as you might expect, was thoughtful enough to change the connectors on the retail gear to avoid that problem).

Philip, re: "a simple on/off rocker... Everything else in the world has one.", my TVs, DVD players, laptop, even the dishwasher have software-driven power buttons. A couple of my CD players and my new AV receiver have true power buttons (though the AV receiver has a more prominent On/Standby button), but most of the gear I've bought in the last year save for the sub-$20 kitchen appliances have had soft power switches and don't truly switch off when plugged in.

[Philip Meyer]

>It doesn't do true power off, but it does come close. When "really off"
>but still plugged in, my pre-production Radio (without a battery) uses
>about one third of a watt.
>
Yeah, I was really talking about Touch - Radio is better as at least it has a very-close-to-off mode.

In this mode, I assume alarms don't work, and the unit can't be woken up?

>Philip, re: "a simple on/off rocker... Everything else in the world has
>one.", my TVs, DVD players, laptop, even the dishwasher have
>software-driven power buttons.
>
All of my TVs and hifi equipment (except for my Transporter) have a true power off. I think there was a change in law to say that all equipment required one, as too many devices had unnecessary stand-by modes that were inefficient.

I turn my Transporter off at the wall when not in use now, because it doesn't need to be on when my Amp is switched off, and my son plays with the knobs if he sees the screen light up.

The only device that I have with no power-off is SkyHD, but that truly needs to be on (standby) all the time to ensure programs are recorded.