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  1. #11
    Robin Bowes
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    Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

    Peter wrote:
    > I don't understand how they get away with selling the SBR
    > as a separate product without providing a simple setup tool with it.
    > Open Source does not mean you let your users do all the work.


    The SBR is sold separately for users who require > 1 receiver with just
    one controller, i.e. buy a duet + a separate SBR or two.

    R.


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    Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

    > I know the Logitech guys use perlapp for packaging SqueezeCenter, so
    > they could have packed it for you too. Even better, they could also make
    > an OS-X executable.


    We only use PerlApp on Windows (so far). Shouldn't the script run on OSX'
    perl installation?

    Michael


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    Thanks Robin...

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Bowes View Post
    Howard Passman wrote:
    > peter;381812 Wrote:
    >> Robin Bowes wrote:
    >>> Hi all,
    >>>
    >>> Net::UDAP is a Perl module to configure the SqueezeBox Receiver (SBR)
    >>> from a PC, i.e. without requiring a SqueezeBox Controller (SBC).
    >>>
    >>> The project homepage is here:
    >>>
    >>> http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP
    >>>
    >>> Net::UDAP was originally released in June 2008 and there have been no
    >>> significant changes since then. However, I've recently updated the
    >>> documentation so thought I'd post this announcement in case anyone

    >> tried
    >>> it previously but got stuck for whatever reason.
    >>>

    >> I've 'compiled' this version with perlapp from the Activestate Perl
    >> PDK.
    >> The resulting executable is a probably bit easier to user for the
    >> average
    >> SB user. You can put it up on the Net-UDAP page if you want.
    >>
    >> http://slim2lirc.myown.mailcan.com/udap_shell_1_0_0.exe
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >> Peter

    >
    > Hi Peter,
    >
    > I got your UI to work, but am not sure how to change parameters. I
    > assumed "set" then the parameter name and then the value, but that
    > wasn't it. Could you give us less technical folks a hint about how to
    > change or set parameters.


    Howard,

    There's a guide here:

    http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-U...GettingStarted

    In a nutshell, you're right; setting/changing parameters is done, e.g.,
    like this:

    UDAP> discover
    UDAP> list
    # MAC Address Type Status
    == ================= ========== ===============
    1 00:04:20:16:05:8f squeezebox init
    UDAP> configure 1
    UDAP [1] (squeezebox 16058f)> set server_address=192.168.1.50
    UDAP [1] (squeezebox 16058f)> save_data

    > Also, it appears you have to reset the device to default in order to
    > get in to it. If someone wanted to change one parameter is it possible
    > for you to make is so we could "discover" a specific MAC address or ip?


    You don't have to reset the device - just put it in init mode, i.e.
    slow-blinking red LED.

    > Thanks to you and Robin for all the work. My only comment is the folks
    > that really need this (first time users of the SBR) probably won't be
    > able to use the tool unless you come up with a much easier UI.


    I initially started work on a SC plugin that does this - I ought to
    re-visit it and get it finished. Spare time is the issue...

    R.

    Thanks Robin. The only comand line stuff I'm used to is Windows or CISCO so I used a space between the command and the parameter. I see I needed to use a =.

    Thanks very much
    Can I go home now?

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    Senior Member Howard Passman's Avatar
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    Yeah but :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Bowes View Post
    Peter wrote:
    > I don't understand how they get away with selling the SBR
    > as a separate product without providing a simple setup tool with it.
    > Open Source does not mean you let your users do all the work.


    The SBR is sold separately for users who require > 1 receiver with just
    one controller, i.e. buy a duet + a separate SBR or two.

    R.
    When you read these forums the beginners who buy the DUET seem to have the biggest issue with getting the SBR set up. Logitech could eliminate a huge amount of bad feelings towards their SBR by creating a UI to set the network paramters. It's the only device out there that I know of that you need to set up this way. Even CISCO routers you can use command line, which I found easier than using the SBC. As a matter of fact I still do. Although I no longer have a problem setting up a SBR with the SBC, it still takes longer than an alternative way would. This is self evident by the fact I and others are messing with Robin's tool (stop the snickers) rather than using the provided routine. There is always an active thread calling for this exact item.

    The SB line is fun, affordable and works pretty well, but all a competitor would need to do is make a few things easier and make parts and accessories avaliable and I think you'd see a drop in sales for Logitech. They (the manufacturer) seem to be pretty stubborn for someone dealing with the general public on an entertainment product. Just my take.

    Howard
    Can I go home now?

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    I agree NET-UDAP is nedeed for the setup even if you have an SBC.

    It is completely logical to have two independent setup procedures one for SBC and one for SBR as they are two separate machines. To make one depend on the other is a bizzare choice ?

    The benchmarks is actually the SB2,3 classic so "they " know how to do it ;-)

    a couple of clicks with the ir remote and you can change for example the dns settings.

    But if I read my flood of bugmail corectly there is promising work going on.
    to their credit they are doing something and actually listened to the users.

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    Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

    Michael Herger wrote:
    >> I know the Logitech guys use perlapp for packaging SqueezeCenter, so
    >> they could have packed it for you too. Even better, they could also make
    >> an OS-X executable.
    >>

    >
    > We only use PerlApp on Windows (so far). Shouldn't the script run on OSX'
    > perl installation?
    >


    Windows, Linux, OSX. All of them, I guess.

    But Windows & OSX should cover most customers and Linux boxes usually
    have Perl installed already.

    Regards,
    Peter


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    Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

    Mnyb wrote:
    > The benchmarks is actually the SB2,3 classic so "they " know how to do
    > it ;-)
    >


    They don't have a computer based setup either.
    They have their own UI.
    Not great, but workable.

    > But if I read my flood of bugmail corectly there is promising work
    > going on.
    > to their credit they are doing something and actually listened to the
    > users.
    >


    There's this standard easy setup stuff for Wifi they're trying to
    implement, I guess.
    But a generic (SB/SBR/Transporter) windows/osx based GUI setup program
    would be probably be a better choice.

    Regards,
    Peter


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    Quote Originally Posted by peter View Post
    Mnyb wrote:
    > The benchmarks is actually the SB2,3 classic so "they " know how to do
    > it ;-)
    >


    They don't have a computer based setup either.
    They have their own UI.
    Not great, but workable.

    > But if I read my flood of bugmail corectly there is promising work
    > going on.
    > to their credit they are doing something and actually listened to the
    > users.
    >


    There's this standard easy setup stuff for Wifi they're trying to
    implement, I guess.
    But a generic (SB/SBR/Transporter) windows/osx based GUI setup program
    would be probably be a better choice.

    Regards,
    Peter
    Yes i mentioned the SB3 as this actually works and is simple to use.
    That was what i meant with "they know how to do it"

    a GUI setup pgm of some sort would be exellent, and to be able to alter one setting without going trough the whole settings procedure is a given.
    This also works with the old product.

  9. #19

    problems with running "udap_shell.pl"

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Bowes View Post
    Peter wrote:
    > Excellent work, Robin!
    > I'll check it out.
    >
    > IMHO LogiTech should make a handsome donation for your good work (and
    > work they should've been doing themselves).
    > How about 5 free Duets for each of your kids?


    Oh, I get my rewards, direct and indirect.

    For example, I start a new perl coding job on Monday 12th essentially on
    the back of my Net::UDAP code.

    So, I'm fairly happy.

    That's not to say that I wouldn't welcome more recompense, financial or
    otherwise

    R.
    Hello!
    Thanks for the tool.- But I have problem with running it. The comes different error-messages, for example "error lin Line 27", and after copying file to my path "error in lin31".
    I habe OS "Win Vista" and Perl 5.8.8. What must I do that "udap_shell.pl" works well, so that I can configure my squeezebox without controller?
    Regards
    Bernd

  10. #20

    Need help for this

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Passman View Post
    Thanks Robin. The only comand line stuff I'm used to is Windows or CISCO so I used a space between the command and the parameter. I see I needed to use a =.

    Thanks very much
    Hello!
    Great,- I can start the exe, but how must I setup the commands? I must do configuration for the squeezebox, but trying " wireless_wpa_cipher: 1 - TKIP, 2 - AES, 3 - TKIP & AES
    wireless_wpa_mode: 1 - WPA, 2 - WPA2
    wireless_wpa_on: 0 - WPA Off, 1 - WPA On
    wireless_wpa_psk: WPA Public Shared Key
    UDAP> set lan-network-address=192.168.0.19
    set command not valid here
    UDAP> set lan-network-address:192.168.0.19
    set command not valid here
    UDAP> set server_address=192.168.0.19
    set command not valid here
    UDAP> configure logitech+squeezebox+000420173046
    UDAP> server_address=192.168.0.19
    Unknown command 'server_address=192.168.0.19'; type 'help' for
    s.
    UDAP> list
    # MAC Address Type Status
    == ================= ========== ===============
    1 00:04:20:17:30:46 squeezebox init
    UDAP> server_address=192.168.0.19
    Unknown command 'server_address=192.168.0.19'; type 'help' for
    s.
    UDAP> configure logitech+squeezebox+000420173046
    UDAP> set server_address=192.168.0.19
    set command not valid here
    UDAP>
    "

    don┤t work.
    What do I wrong???

    Regards

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