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  • surly
    Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 43

    #16
    Originally posted by Michaelwagner
    When I lived there, 20 years ago, that was true. But my gf has been back about 5 years ago and says it's no longer true, at least not in Austria. I know I paid for a train ticket once (at the station, not on the train) with a credit card.

    I guess my 20DM in the back of my drawer aren't going to be much good any more .....
    You can still change your DM for € until eternity!


    That's a pitty that I missed caleb, would have loved to have some tech' talk with him.

    Greetz surly

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    • pippin
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 14809

      #17
      Originally posted by Michaelwagner
      When I lived there, 20 years ago, that was true. But my gf has been back about 5 years ago and says it's no longer true, at least not in Austria. I know I paid for a train ticket once (at the station, not on the train) with a credit card.

      I guess my 20DM in the back of my drawer aren't going to be much good any more .....
      Train Ticket - No problem
      Buying clothes or stuff - no problem
      Paying in a restaurant - 50% chance
      Grocery store - 25% chance
      Beer at a bar - if it's the hotel bar: ok, any other one: no chance
      Taxi - forget it
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      • Michaelwagner
        Senior Member
        • May 2005
        • 2024

        #18
        Originally posted by pippin
        Train Ticket - No problem
        Buying clothes or stuff - no problem
        Paying in a restaurant - 50% chance
        Grocery store - 25% chance
        Beer at a bar - if it's the hotel bar: ok, any other one: no chance
        Taxi - forget it
        Good to know, thanks. 20 years ago, it was
        in a bank, maybe.
        Absolutely nowhere else.

        5 years later it was
        train in germany, not in italy
        hotels, yes
        airplanes
        nowhere else

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        • surly
          Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 43

          #19
          Often you can only pay with Visa, American Express is not so widely accepted.
          So it's EC (Eurocheque Card - pretty much a direct access to your bank account) or Cash, I just abandoned my Visa because I didn't use it exept for internet shopping every 2 Years and I don't want to pay for something I don't use.
          Also I don't like the spreading of expenses over to many accounts (much harder to keep track of your expenses!)

          Greetz surly

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          • Michaelwagner
            Senior Member
            • May 2005
            • 2024

            #20
            I had an Eurocheque Card. It seemed pretty advanced 20 years ago.

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            • surly
              Member
              • Mar 2007
              • 43

              #21
              You should see it now, it's very fast nearly no delay while connecting to the bank.

              Greetz surly

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              • pippin
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2007
                • 14809

                #22
                Originally posted by Michaelwagner
                I had an Eurocheque Card. It seemed pretty advanced 20 years ago.
                yes, German banks love that one and try to press it into the market instead of credit cards. The big difference is: with EC you take all the risk instead of the bank. Bad system. Try to avoid it wherever I can
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                • Michaelwagner
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2005
                  • 2024

                  #23
                  Hmm...the system you guys are describing is nothing like what we had 20 years ago. These were cheques, given out in limited quantities, that were as good as cash. You had to show your card and write your card number on the back. There was no calling the bank ... the cheques were effectively "certified" up to 400DM.

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                  • pippin
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 14809

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Michaelwagner
                    Hmm...the system you guys are describing is nothing like what we had 20 years ago. These were cheques, given out in limited quantities, that were as good as cash. You had to show your card and write your card number on the back. There was no calling the bank ... the cheques were effectively "certified" up to 400DM.
                    Yea. That's not around anymore.
                    Today you only use the card. Essentially like a credit card but tied to your bank account.
                    They have a security feature using your PIN code that puts the burden of proof on you in case of fraud and they have a system using signatures that's pretty similar to a credit card with the exception that the amount is immediately deducted from your bank account (also making it YOUR money that gets stolen in case of fraud intead of the bank's as with a credit card).
                    Overall, from a customer perspective it's not nearly as secure or convenient as a real credit card but banks love it for the lower risk and shops like it for the lower cost.
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                    • radish
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 5052

                      #25
                      Originally posted by pippin
                      Today you only use the card. Essentially like a credit card but tied to your bank account.
                      AKA a Debit card in the rest of the world.
                      http://www.last.fm/user/polymeric

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                      • pippin
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 14809

                        #26
                        Originally posted by radish
                        rest of the world.
                        Allow me to doubt that.

                        Also we were talking about that specific type of card Michael had and that was NOT yet a debit card at the time he was in Germany.
                        Last edited by pippin; 2008-09-01, 18:40.
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                        • radish
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 5052

                          #27
                          Originally posted by pippin
                          Allow me to doubt that.
                          Feel free. I guess I should have been more specific about my definitions, according to wikipedia they exist in a decent number of places:

                          UK
                          USA
                          France
                          Germany
                          Poland
                          Hungary
                          Australia
                          Canada
                          Chile
                          Colombia
                          India
                          Japan
                          The Netherlands
                          New Zealand
                          The Philippines
                          Russia
                          Singapore

                          ...and probably a few more. It even points to the EC card as the first common type of debit card in Germany.

                          http://www.last.fm/user/polymeric

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                          • pippin
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 14809

                            #28
                            But they are not called "Debit Card" in all of these places, see for example:





                            Funny enough, I just learned that they ARE actually called "Debitkarte" in Germany, which I really never ever heard being used.

                            EDIT: This starts to become some real hair-splitting fun :-)
                            Last edited by pippin; 2008-09-01, 19:02.
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                            • radish
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 5052

                              #29
                              Originally posted by pippin
                              EDIT: This starts to become some real hair-splitting fun :-)
                              Which was not my intention, I was simply putting the term out there for the benefit of readers from places other than Germany I remember eurocheques very clearly from my childhood, and their evolution into debit cards in the UK. I also remember being amazed last time I was in Germany as I was in a large electronics store watching people buy e3000 home theater setups with huge bundles of cash. Different strokes I guess!
                              http://www.last.fm/user/polymeric

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                              • surly
                                Member
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 43

                                #30
                                Maybe it's just not as much a living on credit society here...

                                But it's getting worse.

                                Greetz Surly

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