Cannot Turn Off My Squeezebox

[malaugh]

When I am finished playing music, I select "Turn off Squeezebox" on my Duet's controller. The Light on the receiver goes out, and and the controller displays the clock.

Then I go to my computer room and turn off my PC. The light comes back on on the reciever.

3 or 4 hours later, the controller wakes up and displays "searching for network" followed by "cannot find <my network> please choose another". This cycle repeats evey 5 minutes or so.

How do I turn off my Squeezecenter so it stays off? Is there a setting I am missing?

[Anoop M.]

The best way to do this would be to connect your player to SqueezeNetwork before you turn your PC off. Once your player is connected to SqueezeNetwork, you can turn your player off and it should remain off with no color being displayed on the front.

[iPhone]

When I am finished playing music, I select "Turn off Squeezebox" on my Duet's controller. The Light on the receiver goes out, and and the controller displays the clock.

Then I go to my computer room and turn off my PC. The light comes back on on the reciever.

3 or 4 hours later, the controller wakes up and displays "searching for network" followed by "cannot find <my network> please choose another". This cycle repeats evey 5 minutes or so.

How do I turn off my Squeezecenter so it stays off? Is there a setting I am missing?

Technically the only way to turn any Squeezebox off is to unplug it, use a remote wall switch, switched outlet, X10 controlled outlet, Clapper, or power strip with a switch. The device is always on. One can turn the LED on the front off with the controller or Web UI (putting the device in sleep mode), but the unit is still on.

Since the Receiver is a WiFi device and is still talking to your PC after you select "Off" (remember it is not really off) and you turn your PC off, the talk connection to the server is broken so the Receiver wakes up and starts searching for the server to talk to. If one just can not stand the message on the SBC or the LED on the Receiver to be on, Anoop M. is correct that it would be best to switch to SN before putting the Receiver to sleep and shutting down your PC.

[malaugh]

I understand what you are saying, but I think the UI definitely needs some rethinking. I am an engineer, and understand how WiFi works (my company makes WiFi chips), but a less sophisticated user would definitely be confused.

If you push the off button on any piece of audio equipment (in this case selecting "switch off sqeezebox" on the controller) the user expectation is to have any lights that indicate a piece of equipment is on be extinguished, and any display go to the idle setting (in most cases displaying a clock). I think that the current operation will not be acceptable to the general population.

I also think the whole select network section of the UI needs to be rethought. If a user want to listen to the radio, he does not care which network is being used, he wants to select a station and have it play. I think there should be some kind of "auto" network selection which selects either the local or Squeezenetwork depending on what the user wishes to hear.

I think the squeezebox is great piece of equipment, but is being let down by its user interface.

[finnbrodersen]

I understand what you are saying, but I think the UI definitely needs some rethinking. I am an engineer, and understand how WiFi works (my company makes WiFi chips), but a less sophisticated user would definitely be confused.

If you push the off button on any piece of audio equipment (in this case selecting "switch off sqeezebox" on the controller) the user expectation is to have any lights that indicate a piece of equipment is on be extinguished, and any display go to the idle setting (in most cases displaying a clock). I think that the current operation will not be acceptable to the general population.

I agree 100%

[smm]

The best way to do this would be to connect your player to SqueezeNetwork before you turn your PC off. Once your player is connected to SqueezeNetwork, you can turn your player off and it should remain off with no color being displayed on the front.

I only use SqueezeNetwork, and can confirm that this behavior of the Receiver turning itself on (or at least the LED coming back on) happens frequently. In fact, I have also experienced times that music starts playing spontaneously. This has happened when I have paused an MP3Tunes playlist, a Pandora station, or a Slacker station, BEFORE turning off the Receiver with the Controller, and then turning off the Controller. I don't think the spontaneous playback has occured when I have "cleared" the currently playing selection, rather than just pausing it.

[iPhone]

I understand what you are saying, but I think the UI definitely needs some rethinking. I am an engineer, and understand how WiFi works (my company makes WiFi chips), but a less sophisticated user would definitely be confused.

If you push the off button on any piece of audio equipment (in this case selecting "switch off sqeezebox" on the controller) the user expectation is to have any lights that indicate a piece of equipment is on be extinguished, and any display go to the idle setting (in most cases displaying a clock). I think that the current operation will not be acceptable to the general population.

I also think the whole select network section of the UI needs to be rethought. If a user want to listen to the radio, he does not care which network is being used, he wants to select a station and have it play. I think there should be some kind of "auto" network selection which selects either the local or Squeezenetwork depending on what the user wishes to hear.

I think the squeezebox is great piece of equipment, but is being let down by its user interface.

I understand your point as well as see where you are coming from. Like I said the Power Button on the remote and OFF under Web UI are misnomers. They should actually be labeled "Sleep" or "Display Off" since the Slim Devices products are not really ever turned off.

And most modern equipment is not really off either if they have remotes or WiFi, they to are just sleeping. My mono block amps have no off switch. They have a switch but it is standby to on. When one turns their TV to OFF with the remote, they are only shutting down the tuner, display, and putting the high voltage into stand by. The TV is still drawing current even though one pressed off on the remote. Look at a DVR, one hits the off button and two hours later one still hears the hard drive spinning away with no recording are anything else going on.

Could it be changed? I guess it could, but then I think it would be worse with all the questions about where is the "Off" switch. Could there be a note in the manual that the SB3 and Duet are always "On" products, again I guess so. But how many watts are we talking about, not many.

No good way around it.

[toby10]

...........And most modern equipment is not really off either if they have remotes or WiFi, they to are just sleeping. My mono block amps have no off switch. They have a switch but it is standby to on. When one turns their TV to OFF with the remote, they are only shutting down the tuner, display, and putting the high voltage into stand by. The TV is still drawing current even though one pressed off on the remote. Look at a DVR, one hits the off button and two hours later one still hears the hard drive spinning away with no recording are anything else going on....

Yup. In fact, if you think about it, any device that can be "turned on" via a remote must actually be ON already in order to receive and understand the remote's command to "turn on". You correctly worded this as in stand by, not actually OFF.

I suppose they could add a selection of menu options in SC7 settings for remote commands. Like: do not allow unit to turn on it's screen or audio until the following sequence is recognized (PWR + VOL keys pressed simultaniously).

I'd actually like to see this same idea of (optional) sequential remote key commands for the SB3 brightness button as well! The brightness button is also used to change the screen displays (VU meter, spectrum, remaining time, etc...) When trying to adjust brightness, if I accidentally hit the brightness button twice, I now have to scroll through ALL of the different screen settings to get back to where it was.

And I know people who use Add to Playlist via the remote would like this feature as a preset playlist can be wiped out with the wrong use of ADD, or something like that.

[std speed]

Simple really...just make the blue light red.

That way when I go to bed, i can do so rest assured that my TV, Sky box, DVD, and now Squeezy are all 'off'.

A blue light puts the fear of God into me...who knows how much electrickery it might be using.

[Zaragon]

The main thing that a lot of people forget/don't know is related to the original company name "Slim Devices". The players have next to no intelligence. They don't really even know how to turn themselves on.

What you really have is like three devices in the same box.
1. An infrared receiver/IP network transmitter
2. A server controlled display panel(s)
3. A server controlled music receiver/decoder

None of which talk directly to each other. Every key press is sent to a server which works out what to do and then sends the appropriate commands to the display and/or the music receiver. This even applies to the "power" button.

Even the screen is dumb, everything on it is sent from the server as a bit pattern.

The display/infrared have a small amount of autonomy which only comes into play when there is no server connection. It is what allows you to set up the device in the first place.

The subject of power buttons, off switches, automatic switching between servers gets regular discussion a quick search should provide quite a few threads of discussion.