New menu behaviour when device is off

[max.spicer]

Hi,

I have to say that I don't like the new reduced menus that are displayed when the device is off. If I want to browse my music library to select some music, I now have to scroll down to the last option, select Turn on Transporter, wait for stuff to happen, then scroll all the way back to Music Library. When I select to play an item, the device will be turned on anyway, so why these new hoops?

The extra navigation and clicks is the biggest problem here, but I also don't like the fact that I now have to turn on a device just to browse my music library. It was all better before. :-(

Max

[bklaas]

Hi,

I have to say that I don't like the new reduced menus that are displayed when the device is off.

...

It was all better before. :-(

Max

<pops popcorn>
<waits for Dean...>

[dean]

On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:04 PM, bklaas wrote:

>
> max.spicer;250221 Wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have to say that I don't like the new reduced menus that are
>> displayed when the device is off.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> It was all better before. :-(
>>
>> Max
>
> <pops popcorn>
> <waits for Dean...>
Here I am.

Don't turn it off.

Seriously, you want it off, but also able to browse, etc? What, to
you, does "off" mean?

[peterw]

Seriously, you want it off, but also able to browse, etc? What, to
you, does "off" mean?

It means SuperDateTime is telling me the time, temperature, and weather conditions. Much more valuable than the phrase "Now Playing".

-Peter

[dean]

It's a funny thing, having this system with two screens, one in your
hand and one on the display.

On and Off don't really have much intrinsic meaning in an always-on
always-connected device.

We have a power button because folks are comfortable pushing it to
stop the thing and feel better when it's "off". The question is
then, how does it behave when it's "off".

On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:06 PM, peterw wrote:
> It means SuperDateTime is telling me the time, temperature, and
> weather
> conditions. Much more valuable than the phrase "Now Playing".
Ah. So you use off as a way to turn on a particular screensaver?

What do other people expect it to do?

[peterw]

On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:06 PM, peterw wrote:
> It means SuperDateTime is telling me the time, temperature, and
> weather
> conditions. Much more valuable than the phrase "Now Playing".
Ah. So you use off as a way to turn on a particular screensaver?

Also, on a couple of my Squeezeboxes, to turn off my stereo gear (using BottleRocket and IR Blaster). My living room setup (where my JHB dock is) has a nice old receiver that draws ~30 watts when on & doing nothing. And the speakers thump when it comes on. So I'd also rather leave the Squeezebox "off" when it's not playing music to avoid the speaker thumps & keep the receiver from drawing power.

[kdf]

It means SuperDateTime is telling me the time, temperature, and weather conditions. Much more valuable than the phrase "Now Playing".

-Peter

Hence the screensaver when idle option.
-kdf

[cliveb]

What do other people expect it to do?

I use Felix's PowerSwitchII plugin so that when my Transporter is turned on, so are the power amps. I prefer not to leave 700W of power amps switched on all the time. So the TP gets switched off when not in use.

I'm not as disturbed by the new menus as Max. It did cause me a brief moment of panic the first time I saw no "Music Library" option, and it took me a few moments to figure out what was going on, but on balance I don't really care either way.

[Fifer]

I presume that the new behaviour has been introduced for a reason. Do we know what that reason is? It seems to me that the 'no real "off" mode' argument supports the Jive behaving the same way regardless of whether it's off or on.

[max.spicer]

On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:04 PM,
Here I am.

Don't turn it off.

Seriously, you want it off, but also able to browse, etc? What, to
you, does "off" mean?

If I shouldn't care whether the device is on or off, why have you just introduced new steps that force me to turn it on?? I see my Jive remote as an interface to my music, I use it to browse my library and (generally) choose tracks to play. At the time I choose the tracks to play, I'd expect the necessary business of making sure the player is on to be taken care of for me.

Wanting to browse but having the device off is not a contradiction - I'm not wanting to use the player to browse and SqueezeCenter does not run on the player. If I browse my music using the web interface from my laptop, I don't expect any players to turn on. It's the same with the Jive remote.

Off for me means no glowing display, the Transporter's audio circuits being powered down, and my amp being automatically turned off (by IRBlaster). The Amp being off leads to a power saving, but without that I'd still want to be able to turn the player off. I don't want idle screensavers to blank the display - I like the option of an on/off switch.

Max