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    Stephen R Ward
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    Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox

    Hi!

    Just a quick update for anyone that's interested: I installed the D-Link
    DWL-M60AT 6dBi Directional Antenna on my Squeezebox, today -- and, even
    after only playing with positioning it (somewhere out of sight, for SAF
    reasons ;-) for a few minutes, have boosted the signal strength to over 50%
    (from 30%)!

    Not so sure if it makes a difference to quality, reliability, etc. -- it
    certainly makes me feel better, though!

    Two quick questions: my Mac shows traffic out of around 25-30 KB/s (using
    Guy Meyer's Net Monitor) when the Squeezebox is playing. This seems low for
    MP3s sampled at 192 kbps... -- but I'm probably missing something obvious
    when asking if this is typical?

    If I stick to using MP3s, apart from improving quality, what impact on my
    network would sample rates of 320 kbps make (i.e. would it cope okay :-)?

    Thanks...!
    --
    - $.

    Stephen R Ward
    <srward (AT) srward (DOT) com>


    On 13/01/2004 3:02 pm, "Stephen R Ward" <srward (AT) srward (DOT) com> wrote:

    > Hi!
    >
    > I'm in a similar situation -- with a signal that usually hovers around the
    > 30% mark (after much aerial tweaking!). Although I've only suffered one
    > sound dropout so far (that I've noticed...), I'm going to have a play with
    > replacing the default antenna on the Squeezebox with one of these (and,
    > almost certainly, locating it _outside_ the cabinet where the Squeezebox
    > lives with all my hi-fi and telly kit...):
    >
    > <http://tinyurl.com/27ag5>
    >
    > If you wish, email me, and I'll let you know how I get on. Otherwise, I'll
    > either have to move my trusty old original Airport base station somewhere
    > else... -- as I'm not keen on dropping an Ethernet cable from the loft to
    > the ground floor (...which will instantly cancel-out the Spouse Approval
    > Factor that the Squeezebox gained instantly!) -- or replace it with a base
    > station with a replaceable antenna.
    >
    > Other than that, you could always have a go at making your own antenna... --
    > as suggested by Kevin at Slim support:
    >
    >> If you're feeling adventurous, you could also make a cantennawave-guide
    >> antenna. There are several pages on the net on how to make them, including:
    >>
    >> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html

    >
    > Good luck...!
    >
    > - $.
    >
    >
    > On 13/01/2004 1:01 pm, "Shah, Milan BGI UK" <Milan.Shah (AT) barclaysglobal (DOT) com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks, I know off them, having bought 2 routers from them in the past.
    >> In speaking to tehm, they suggested that if possible I should run an Ethernet
    >> cable.
    >> Wireless is over-rated. At least with a string you can follow and know where
    >> it's broken.
    >>
    >> ....so, I have managed to cable it and I get amazing responses. NO stutters,
    >> glitches or loss.
    >> All I need know is a 20" masonary bit to drill though my wall !
    >>
    >> Milan Shah
    >>
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
    >> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]On Behalf Of Gordon
    >> BulkMail
    >> Sent: 05 January 2004 10:09
    >> To: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
    >> Subject: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
    >>
    >>
    >> You could try solwise.co.uk they sell a fair amount of kit. I don't own a
    >> squeezebox but I presume that is has a reverse-sma connector or something
    >> similar, in which case it should not be a great problem adding an external
    >> ariel.
    >>
    >> Gordon
    >>
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >> From: Shah, Milan BGI UK [mailto:Milan.Shah (AT) barclaysglobal (DOT) com]
    >> Sent: 05 January 2004 09:53
    >> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
    >> Subject: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Hi,
    >> I am a lucky owner of a squeezebox. My wife was good enough to allow me to
    >> get one for X-mas.
    >> Easy to set up and working relatively ok.
    >> I have a issue with the wireless strength. Unfortunately I am restricted on
    >> the placement of my squeezebox and my router.
    >> Where it currently is, I am getting less that 20% signal strength. I have
    >> tested the squeezebox elsewhere and notice a higher strength.
    >> Q: Is there a higher gain antenna that I can replace the current one to get
    >> me a better signal.
    >> If not available from slimdevices, can anyone suggest a site or shop where I
    >> may purchase one.
    >> I am based in the U.K.
    >> Thanks
    >> Milan
    >>
    >>
    >>

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    Update

    This was the only thread I could find concerning wifi traffic, so I am posting this little info here.

    My Verizon/Frontier router took a dump recently and I order a new one. With the growing number of wifi devices in my home (30 +) I needed to start dividing up the devices to cut down on the strain on the 2 G signal. My router like most newer ones put out a dual signal, 2.4 G and 5 G, So I made sure all the devices I had that support 5 G would be on that signal. My server in the garage had a older 2 G adapter on it, so I purchased a 5 G to help relieve the strain. The unintentional bonus using the 5 G on the server was a bigger sound stage and more depth in my music. After thinking on this, it makes good sense as the 5 G is putting out more bandwidth to my squeezebox touches. We all known being hardwire is best, put like most my home was not built with network sockets in all the outlets, so wifi is the only way to stream. This could be about the cheapish upgrade to your system to improve your sound quality.
    1st Touch in main HT rig hardwired to router connected

    2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom)

    3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom)

    4th Touch wirelessly connected (bedroom)

    5th Touch 2 Wirelessly connected (livingroom)

    6th Touch 4 Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom)

    Server (In garage)
    running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 8 gig ram
    Windows 7 pro 64 bit
    350 Xternal gigHD
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    Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recoveryone View Post
    The unintentional bonus using the 5 G on the server was a bigger sound stage and more depth in my music. After thinking on this, it makes good sense as the 5 G is putting out more bandwidth to my squeezebox touches. We all known being hardwire is best, put like most my home was not built with network sockets in all the outlets, so wifi is the only way to stream. This could be about the cheapish upgrade to your system to improve your sound quality.
    Glad this worked out for you, but there is no reason for anyone to expect the introduction of a 5G wireless router will improve the sound quality of their Squeezeboxes. You might believe you hear a "bigger sound stage and more depth", but I suggest this is due to your expectation of the results rather than to any real result. Valid as this might be to you personally, it's not an adequate basis for recommending that others follow a similar path to the same result.

    Suggested reading: List of cognitive biases

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    Actually think the internet would be a saner place if all texts containing "s*und st*ge" would be quietly sent to /dev/null.
    I mean, is it really a thing? Is it ever used in any meaningful context?

    And if someone actually believed the stuff, hooking up the server to 5 GHz isn't "putting out more bandwidth" to any Squeezeboxes, for a number of reasons it will be exactly the same.

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    It might turn a 1 into a 1.00001 and a 0 into 0.00001 - you never know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apesbrain View Post
    Glad this worked out for you, but there is no reason for anyone to expect the introduction of a 5G wireless router will improve the sound quality of their Squeezeboxes. You might believe you hear a "bigger sound stage and more depth", but I suggest this is due to your expectation of the results rather than to any real result. Valid as this might be to you personally, it's not an adequate basis for recommending that others follow a similar path to the same result.

    Suggested reading: List of cognitive biases
    It wasn't the router, but the server I added an 5 G adapter, the router has nothing to do with it as the Touch connects to the sever for file info. And I did not expect any changes as I was only doing this switch for relieving the amount of devices on the 2G signal, I was not trying to gain any improvements on the sound.
    Last edited by Recoveryone; 2017-08-06 at 15:51.
    1st Touch in main HT rig hardwired to router connected

    2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom)

    3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom)

    4th Touch wirelessly connected (bedroom)

    5th Touch 2 Wirelessly connected (livingroom)

    6th Touch 4 Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom)

    Server (In garage)
    running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 8 gig ram
    Windows 7 pro 64 bit
    350 Xternal gigHD
    1.5 TB backup
    Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana

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    Just connect server via cable, better not use wifi for LMS server.
    SqueezeBoxes: 2x SB2 (Living room and study), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Bedroom)
    Server: LMS on Pi3 7.9.1. on PcP 3.21
    Network: AVM Fritzbox, D-Link Smart Switch 24p, 3x Ubiquity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recoveryone View Post
    It wasn't the router, but the server I added an 5 G adapter, the router has nothing to do with it as the Touch connects to the sever for file info. And I did not expect any changes as I was only doing this switch for relieving the amount of devices on the 2G signal, I was not trying to gain any improvements on the sound.
    "Expectation bias" is much more subtle and pervasive than you're giving it credit. If you're interested in understanding it better, I suggest you start with the link I provided.

    Or not. I have no problem with you believing that a change of network card has caused your Squeezeboxes to sound better. My problem is with you recommending that others follow your lead for a "cheapish upgrade to your system to improve your sound quality". There is absolutely no reason to expect a change from 2.4G to 5G on any component in your network will give the results you claim.

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    On the original topic .

    30-50% wifi strength is not good enough it's till marginal close to 100% is reliable .

    LMS does not measure this in a good way I would say 50% is not good .

    Bite the bullet and pull some Ethernet wires through the house .

    On that other topic, no network topology does not make any difference on a squeezebox as long as the player buffer is full .

    http://archimago.blogspot.se/2015/02...-internet.html

    Archie made some measurements using my old server , when it worked transfer music from Sweden to Canada to his Transporter did not cause any problem that's just how it works .
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    I can't argue with the test results, but I guess bumping up to 5G allowed less traffic and better signal strength for all my Touches in the house (all are connected at 80% or higher since the change). All I know its sounding better and that was the only change made to the system.
    1st Touch in main HT rig hardwired to router connected

    2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom)

    3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom)

    4th Touch wirelessly connected (bedroom)

    5th Touch 2 Wirelessly connected (livingroom)

    6th Touch 4 Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom)

    Server (In garage)
    running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 8 gig ram
    Windows 7 pro 64 bit
    350 Xternal gigHD
    1.5 TB backup
    Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana

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