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  1. #1
    Eric Fiste
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    List Help

    Sorry for what might be the ignorance of these questions, but I haven't used a list server for a long time. No offense intededed, but a discussion forum would work much better. Regardless, I'm having a couple issues that are making it difficult to post and review posts. Hoping someone can give me some pointers:

    1) Is there a way to "reply" to a post without receiving an individual email for each posting and replying to the email. I'm assuming this is how a reply is typically created.
    2) I guess it is because of my email client (iMail hosted from my home
    pc), but my posts do not seem to format correctly unless I force
    carriage returns at the end of each line.
    3) The email address in my signature (eric (AT) fiste (DOT) net) gets converted to the URL for this discussion when it is posted.
    4) Is it possible to understand who is replying to these posts? For example, kdf has replied to a few of my posts. Thanks to kdf for the time to respond! BUT, I don't know who he/she is and the relationship to SlimDevices. Maybe he/she is the lead developer, but I have no idea.
    4) If you could add a field in the RSS feed that includes the content of the post, I can use my RSS plugin in Outlook to read and search the list. Otherwise, I have to open the actual post in a browser AND probably waste time asking questions that have already been asked in another post.

    Eric Fiste
    eric (AT) fiste (DOT) net
    http://fiste.net

  2. #2
    Roy M. Silvernail
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    List Help

    On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:48:32AM -0600, Eric Fiste wrote:
    > Sorry for what might be the ignorance of these questions,
    > but I haven't used a list server for a long time. No offense
    > intededed, but a discussion forum would work much better.


    We've held that particular discussion before, and the general consensus
    is that the email list works better for most of us.

    > Regardless, I'm having
    > a couple issues that are making it difficult to post and review
    > posts. Hoping someone can give me some pointers:
    >
    > 1) Is there a way to "reply" to a post without receiving an
    > individual email for each posting and replying to the email. I'm
    > assuming this is how a reply is typically created.


    I assume you are receiving the digest version. In that case, no. The
    nature of email is that you would be replying to the digest message.
    May I suggest exploring the mail filtering options of your email client
    to direct list messages into a folder?

    > 2) I guess it is because of my email client (iMail hosted from my home
    > pc), but my posts do not seem to format correctly unless I force
    > carriage returns at the end of each line.


    Yes, that is your email client. There may be a config option to
    hard-wrap your paragraphs. Remember that the list just accepts what it
    is sent.

    > 3) The email address in my signature (eric (AT) fiste (DOT) net) gets converted
    > to the URL for this discussion when it is posted.


    You're looking at the web interface. That conversion is intentional,
    and is intended to make it harder for spam spiders to harvest your
    address.

    > 4) Is it possible to understand who is replying to these posts? For
    > example, kdf has replied to a few of my posts. Thanks to kdf for the
    > time to respond! BUT, I don't know who he/she is and the relationship
    > to SlimDevices. Maybe he/she is the lead developer, but I have no
    > idea.


    There are two guys from Slim Devices who frequent the lists, but your
    initiation rite is to discover which two. The rest of us are
    volunteers and enthusiasts.

    > 4) If you could add a field in the RSS feed that includes the content
    > of the post, I can use my RSS plugin in Outlook to read and search the
    > list. Otherwise, I have to open the actual post in a browser AND
    > probably waste time asking questions that have already been asked in
    > another post.


    Mailman/HyperArchive doesn't produce RSS natively. The patch to create
    the RSS feeds is a bit... minimal, shall we say. Unfortunately, adding
    the contents of the post is an involved procedure that requires hacking
    on mailman itself. If you're a Python head, I can point you to what
    needs to be done.
    --
    Roy M. Silvernail is roy (AT) rant-central (DOT) com, and you're not
    http://www.rant-central.com is the new scytale
    Never Forget: It's Only 1's and 0's!
    SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss

  3. #3
    Simon
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    List Help

    On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:48:32AM -0600, Eric Fiste wrote:
    > Sorry for what might be the ignorance of these questions, but I haven't used a list server for a long time. No offense intededed, but a discussion forum would work much better. Regardless, I'm having a couple issues that are making it difficult to post and review posts. Hoping someone can give me some pointers:


    I'll disagree right off that a 'discussion forum' would be better,
    reading mailing lists with a proper email client is imo about as good as
    it gets.

    > 1) Is there a way to "reply" to a post without receiving an individual email for each posting and replying to the email. I'm assuming this is how a reply is typically created.


    Not sure what you mean here, how would you even know there was something
    to reply to if you didn't get a mail?

    > 2) I guess it is because of my email client (iMail hosted from my home
    > pc), but my posts do not seem to format correctly unless I force
    > carriage returns at the end of each line.


    Get a client that knows how to do automatic line wrapping at ~74
    characters, and yes, the line wraps should be with real carriage
    returns. Some of us actually still do read mail in a regular 80x25
    terminals.
    On an unrelated side note, it's a shame that many mail clients no longer
    use fixed width fonts, thereby making any globally viable formatting of an
    email impossible.

    > 3) The email address in my signature (eric (AT) fiste (DOT) net) gets converted to the URL for this discussion when it is posted.


    Huh? This discussion doesn't have an url..? It looks fine to me, must be
    something your client is doing locally. Left it quoted below for
    reference.

    > 4) Is it possible to understand who is replying to these posts? For example, kdf has replied to a few of my posts. Thanks to kdf for the time to respond! BUT, I don't know who he/she is and the relationship to SlimDevices. Maybe he/she is the lead developer, but I have no idea.


    Looking at the address of whoever is posting is probably your best bet,
    most actual slimdevices employees seem to use their name (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com
    addresses.
    Other than that, looking at the context of a few messages from a
    specific person will probably give clues.

    If you want to be sure you're getting an official slimdevices respons
    you should probably mail one of the address they have listed as contacts
    on their website.

    > 4) If you could add a field in the RSS feed that includes the content of the post, I can use my RSS plugin in Outlook to read and search the list. Otherwise, I have to open the actual post in a browser AND probably waste time asking questions that have already been asked in another post.


    Search the archives for other discussions regarding the RSS feed.

    > Eric Fiste
    > eric (AT) fiste (DOT) net
    > http://fiste.net


    To sum this up, I think the problems you're having are caused more by
    your choice of email-client then any inherent problems with mailing
    lists. At a minimum you should use a client that supports:
    * Automatic 'real' line wrapping, see comment above.
    * Threading. Many mail clients can use a combination of message id's and
    subject lines to do very nice threading of the mails that are posted
    to a mailing list.
    * Sorting, you're mailer should support sorting messages for a specific
    list into their own mailbox, this means mailing list postings won't
    get mixed in with your personal mail. This specific list kindly enough
    contains a 'List-Id:' header that makes sorting easy.


    Hope that helps,

    --
    Simon

  4. #4
    Chris Niekel
    Guest

    List Help

    On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:48:32AM -0600, Eric Fiste wrote:
    > Sorry for what might be the ignorance of these questions, but I
    > haven't used a list server for a long time.
    > No offense intededed, but a discussion forum would work much better.


    No, it wouldn't. A mailinglist is ideal, except when you only want to
    read a few things, then a newsreader is better. Forums are only good for
    use through google. IMHO ofcourse

    > 1) Is there a way to "reply" to a post without receiving an individual
    > email for each posting and replying to the email. I'm assuming this is
    > how a reply is typically created.


    The whole point of a mailinglist is that you receive every message.

    But if you go to http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
    you can set various settings, including not receiving any mail from the
    list.
    > 2) I guess it is because of my email client (iMail hosted from my home
    > pc), but my posts do not seem to format correctly unless I force
    > carriage returns at the end of each line.
    > 3) The email address in my signature (eric (AT) fiste (DOT) net) gets converted to the URL for this discussion when it is posted.
    > 4) Is it possible to understand who is replying to these posts? For example, kdf has replied to a few of my posts. Thanks to kdf for the time to respond! BUT, I don't know who he/she is and the relationship to SlimDevices. Maybe he/she is the lead developer, but I have no idea.
    > 4) If you could add a field in the RSS feed that includes the content of the post, I can use my RSS plugin in Outlook to read and search the list. Otherwise, I have to open the actual post in a browser AND probably waste time asking questions that have already been asked in another post.
    >
    > Eric Fiste
    > eric (AT) fiste (DOT) net
    > http://fiste.net
    >

  5. #5
    Chris Niekel
    Guest

    List Help

    On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 09:26:01PM +0100, Chris Niekel wrote:
    > [ lots of stuff ]


    Oops, pressed 'send' instead of 'delete postponed'. Please ignore it.

    Thanks,
    Chris Niekel

    --
    I've been down so long, if I'd cheer up, I'd still be depressed.
    - Lisa Simpson, Moanin' Lisa Blues.

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