Ripping an SACD

[adhawkins]

Hi,

I've just received my War of the Worlds 7 disc Collectors edition

It appears the first two discs are SACDs, containing a 5.1 remix of the album. Can anyone tell me how I can rip this so that I can play it through my Squeezebox?

Thanks

Andy

[oreillymj]

I could by wrong but I don't believe SACD's are rippable. They emply a much improved version of the CSS encryption used on DVD's that hasn't been cracked. There's probably not much incentive to do so due to the low take-up on SACD players and availability of albums in SACD format.

Now if you have a DVD with Dolby 5.1 or DTS sound then this is rippable, but I don't think anyone has found a way to get ripped AC3/DTS to play back through an SB yet.

There was a thread about DTS playback in the Audiophile section some time ago. In theory it's possible.

[reverber]

SACDs can only be ripped by reading from the player's analog outputs. Just like ripping vinyl

Cody

[adhawkins]

Hi,

In article <reverber.21sdyn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>,
reverber<reverber.21sdyn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> SACDs can only be ripped by reading from the player's analog outputs.
> Just like ripping vinyl

So that won't get me all 5.1 channels then? I guess if the player (I don't
even have one!) have individual outputs I could capture them into individual
files. I guess I'd then need a way of combining this into a format that my
AV receiver could cope with.

Is this possible?

Andy

[Robin Bowes]

Andy Hawkins said the following on 17/01/2006 16:44:
> Hi,
>
> In article <reverber.21sdyn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>,
> reverber<reverber.21sdyn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>> SACDs can only be ripped by reading from the player's analog outputs.
>> Just like ripping vinyl
>
> So that won't get me all 5.1 channels then? I guess if the player (I don't
> even have one!) have individual outputs I could capture them into individual
> files. I guess I'd then need a way of combining this into a format that my
> AV receiver could cope with.

I seem to remember seeing some traffic on this issue previously. Or
maybe that was just 5.1 encoded CDs, not SACD.

Did you search the forums?

R.
--
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If a man speaks in a forest,
and his wife's not there,
is he still wrong?

[adhawkins]

Hi,

In article <dqj7ip$791$2 (AT) sea (DOT) gmane.org>,
Robin Bowes<robin-lists (AT) robinbowes (DOT) com> wrote:
> I seem to remember seeing some traffic on this issue previously. Or
> maybe that was just 5.1 encoded CDs, not SACD.
>
> Did you search the forums?

I searched for SACD, but there didn't appear to be anything recent on it.

If anyone can point me at any info, I'd appreciate it.

Andy

[pfarrell]

Andy Hawkins wrote:
>>SACDs can only be ripped by reading from the player's analog outputs.
>>Just like ripping vinyl
>
> So that won't get me all 5.1 channels then? I guess if the player (I don't
> even have one!) have individual outputs I could capture them into individual
> files. I guess I'd then need a way of combining this into a format that my
> AV receiver could cope with.

Of course you can get 5.1 channels if you have six analog inputs.
If all you have is two, you are mostly out of luck.

I can do 16 channels on my recording rig. 96k/24bit as well.

IMHO, SACD and DVD-audio failed for two reasons. First,
they had an idiotic format war and for a long time,
you had to chose hardware. Second, the mass market doesn't
care about fidelity. The mass market is now MP3 or
iTunes for iPods.

The biggest 'sale volume' of SACD was a Rolling Stones
set, which was not even labeled as SACD. Most people
bought them for the RedBook audio.

--
Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimse...msoftware.html

[adhawkins]

Hi,

In article <43CD2634.5010908 (AT) pfarrell (DOT) com>,
Pat Farrell<pfarrell (AT) pfarrell (DOT) com> wrote:
> Andy Hawkins wrote:
> Of course you can get 5.1 channels if you have six analog inputs.
> If all you have is two, you are mostly out of luck.

So, assuming I get 6 files, each containing one of the input channels, is
there any way to combine these files into (say) a single WAV file (so that I
can FLAC and tag it)?

Or do I have to capture all 6 channels in one go?

Andy

[adhawkins]

Hi,

In article <oreillymj.21sdyn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>,
oreillymj<oreillymj.21sdyn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> I could by wrong but I don't believe SACD's are rippable. They emply a
> much improved version of the CSS encryption used on DVD's that hasn't
> been cracked. There's probably not much incentive to do so due to the
> low take-up on SACD players and availability of albums in SACD format.

That's what my reading seems to suggest too.


> Now if you have a DVD with Dolby 5.1 or DTS sound then this is
> rippable, but I don't think anyone has found a way to get ripped
> AC3/DTS to play back through an SB yet.

Oh yes they have

There's a thread on here telling you exactly how to do it. And very good it
is too!

I'd love to be able to do something similar with this new CD. Strange that
it was released as an SACD if the format hasn't really taken off. I assumed
it'd be some sort of DVD format. Oh well!

Andy

[CarlOtto]

Hi,
Well - it is expensive, but not impossible. Here is one solution for ripping two channel stereo data from SACD to PCM format (i.e. normal format you can store and play on your computer) without ever passing through the analog domain.

You need a SACD player (of course) since there are no "readers" yet for computers. The SACD player must have a digital out, which is likely to be a Firewire IEEE1394. You can get the cheapest one here as long as it has Firewire out.

Now - the problem is that the Firewire carries a "digital copy not allowed" and we don't want that (we would then need to hack things in the computer or sound card) so we need a translation to a digital format that does not have copy protection - such as AES (or dual AES).

If you use a dCS Purcell upsampler (yes I know, it's expensive) it has exactly that, i.e. it can take IEEE 1394 in and put out AES (for signals up to 96 kS/s) or dual AES (up to 196 kS/s).

You then need a sound card with AES in, or better, dual AES in. There are a few around (check out Lynx etc) but they are expensive-ish (told you so...).

With this setup you will be able to record from a SACD to full quality (196 kS/s if you have dual AES) in normal PCM (wav) format onto your hard disk.

The file will be BIG! If you have a good enough sound card you can use that for playing back your file on your Audiophile gear. But if you can afford all the above, you will probably prefer some special stuff (like a dCS Delius or Elgar DAC) connected to your sound card for maximum quality.

That's it. Then just get a bigger hard disk...

(No I haven't done it - I have the older non-firewire Purcell - but I've thought about getting a newer just for the hell of it)