SB2 and Wifi draytek WPA/PSK TKIP

[ASS-Ware]

Have you looked in the Slim Devices bugzilla? Most of the problems appear to be with poor Draytek firmware, Slimdevices bend over backwards to support that sh*t! As a former owner of Draytek expensive garbage, I should know!

Glad you're a happy Draytek user, though.

I have used Draytek stuff for years and never had a problem.
Maybe you don't know enough about hardware and IT ?

[Milhouse]

Maybe you don't know enough about hardware and IT ?

Let's not go there, OK?

I'm glad you're a happy Draytek user. I know many who are not.

[ASS-Ware]

Let's not go there, OK?

I'm glad you're a happy Draytek user. I know many who are not.

Just mean that sometimes it's easy to say that it doesn't work or that it's crap when you don't know how it works.
Sorry.

[Milhouse]

OK, here goes...

As a former owner of Draytek I'm well aware of the poor security (yes, you really can connect to my management console even when the little box titled "Don't accept WAN connections for Management Console" is checked), constantly hanging routers (heck, some owners even put them on timer switches for crying out loud), flakey wireless that drops every 10 minutes, and wireless that fails to negotiate with other devices (no surprise that Draytek are NOT members of the WiFi consortium). Need a solution to your wireless problem? How about shipping the whole router back to Draytek so they can replace the wireless card (and no, you can't have a replacement in the meantime). That, and firmware on a £160 device - this was a v2600 - that didn't even support SNMP because Draytek ran out of ROM space adding support for other functionality nobody wanted (but it was apparently requested by a "big" customer - seriously!)

Read the Draytek "support" forum, it's full of users with similar problems - the firmware QA is appaling. Why pay £160 for hardware when you can get far more functionality and reliability for £40? I do more with a pair of £40 Linksys WRT54GS and after market firmware than I ever could with the £160 v2600, and the WRT54GS's are rock solid, day in, day out. Newer devices such as the Draytek v2800 etc. were no better - same old problems, just a new box.

As for not knowing what I'm doing, it's pretty damned hard to diagnose a fault in closed source firmware that gives no usable diagnostics! "Oh dear, the router's crashed - let me check the logs... nope, nothing there. Hmmm."

After 20 years in the IT industry, I thought (and this goes back a couple of years) that Draytek were good quality and justified the price based on reviews at the time (which certainly gave that impression). The reality is very different, and subsequent open source after market firmwares for various off the shelf devices have shown Draytek kit to be overpriced, lacking in features (some of which are openly advertised as available even when they are not) and generally of extremely poor quality. The "exclusive" distributor in the UK - SEG - also offers abysmal support.

Really, if anyone is thinking about purchasing Draytek kit: save your money, buy something better, for less. Spend what you save on a new Squeezebox/3!

[ASS-Ware]

OK, here goes...

As a former owner of Draytek I'm well aware of the poor security (yes, you really can connect to my management console even when the little box titled "Don't accept WAN connections for Management Console" is checked), constantly hanging routers (heck, some owners even put them on timer switches for crying out loud), flakey wireless that drops every 10 minutes, and wireless that fails to negotiate with other devices (no surprise that Draytek are NOT members of the WiFi consortium). Need a solution to your wireless problem? How about shipping the whole router back to Draytek so they can replace the wireless card (and no, you can't have a replacement in the meantime). That, and firmware on a £160 device - this was a v2600 - that didn't even support SNMP because Draytek ran out of ROM space adding support for other functionality nobody wanted (but it was apparently requested by a "big" customer - seriously!)

Read the Draytek "support" forum, it's full of users with similar problems - the firmware QA is appaling. Why pay £160 for hardware when you can get far more functionality and reliability for £40? I do more with a pair of £40 Linksys WRT54GS and after market firmware than I ever could with the £160 v2600, and the WRT54GS's are rock solid, day in, day out. Newer devices such as the Draytek v2800 etc. were no better - same old problems, just a new box.

As for not knowing what I'm doing, it's pretty damned hard to diagnose a fault in closed source firmware that gives no usable diagnostics! "Oh dear, the router's crashed - let me check the logs... nope, nothing there. Hmmm."

After 20 years in the IT industry, I thought (and this goes back a couple of years) that Draytek were good quality and justified the price based on reviews at the time (which certainly gave that impression). The reality is very different, and subsequent open source after market firmwares for various off the shelf devices have shown Draytek kit to be overpriced, lacking in features (some of which are openly advertised as available even when they are not) and generally of extremely poor quality. The "exclusive" distributor in the UK - SEG - also offers abysmal support.

Really, if anyone is thinking about purchasing Draytek kit: save your money, buy something better, for less. Spend what you save on a new Squeezebox/3!

I have been in the business for 15 years now and have been using Draytek hardware since 5 years, at home, at my office and at clients, and never ever had a problem.
My friends use the stuff too and don't have problems.
There have been issues, yes, but they have all been solved.

[2pods]

My Draytek 2600g has been fine until I tried it with Vista Beta1 when it refused to connect with WPA/PSK enabled (lucklily I have it MAC filtered anyway), but after a firmware update all is fine and RC1 and RC2 connect with WPA.

Maybe I've just been lucky.
I'll see when I get my SB3 and TS-101.

Peter

[ASS-Ware]

My Draytek 2600g has been fine until I tried it with Vista Beta1 when it refused to connect with WPA/PSK enabled (lucklily I have it MAC filtered anyway), but after a firmware update all is fine and RC1 and RC2 connect with WPA.

Maybe I've just been lucky.
I'll see when I get my SB3 and TS-101.

Peter

You said it, beta ...