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    Senior Member Archimago's Avatar
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    Final MQA Round-Up...

    Hey all,
    Glad to be done the MQA Core vs. Hi-Res blind test series and basically end off with a summary of sorts:

    Part I: Procedure
    Part II: Core Results
    Part III: Subgroup Analysis
    Part IV: Subjective Impressions

    MQA: "Final" Thoughts... On Politics and Paradigms.

    It has been fun "work" getting this together with your help and I think over the years we can recognize that the only way to change the nature of this "hobby" is to try it ourselves. Sometimes there is a need to create a narrative that can be coherent and based on scientific and engineering principles rather than claims and vague impressions of the industry that might or might not be on the same path as consumers. I know that these thoughts may be uncomfortable for some as it intrudes into the "politics" aspect of the hobby... But I trust that if we can be gracious, communicate what we're doing and be transparent in intents, the ensuing discussions, controversies, and debates lead us to progress as we all explore the concept of value together.

    Whether it's in the "formats" we might prefer or the gear we buy...

    Cheers!
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    Very nice "musings" post. Haven't read the comments yet but the article does a nice job of trying to separate science from opinion.

    One question that comes to mind: will your "musings" start to drift now that you have the audiophile press' attention and, as was the case with Computer Audiophile site, you are slowly brought into the inner circle with generous "loans" of hyper-expensive equipment and other nifty perks? Just sayin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphpnj View Post
    Very nice "musings" post. Haven't read the comments yet but the article does a nice job of trying to separate science from opinion.

    One question that comes to mind: will your "musings" start to drift now that you have the audiophile press' attention and, as was the case with Computer Audiophile site, you are slowly brought into the inner circle with generous "loans" of hyper-expensive equipment and other nifty perks? Just sayin'
    This may be the reason that shortly he only responds to PM when "Sir Archimago" is used...
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    Give credit where credit is due

    Quote Originally Posted by Wombat View Post
    This may be the reason that shortly he only responds to PM when "Sir Archimago" is used...
    Hi Wombat!

    I see that you have popped up for air again.

    I would like to take issue with your cynical viewpoint (albeit disguised as sardonic humour) since Archimago has (so far at least) maintained a dignified silence in response to your goading.

    So I would like to thank him on behalf of this forum for the considerable amount of time & effort he has expended in trying to demystify the enigma that MQA decoding represents (since its proponents are unwilling to give any clear scientific explanation of its purported benefits that could be tested according to our venerable scientific method with repeatable results) and to put forward the proposition that he has not in any way sided with the "snake oil" marketing faction of the hi-fi industry.

    My own sense of the results of his meticulous efforts & survey was exactly the opposite of this, in that MQA decoding does not seem to offer a significant technical advance even though a minority of the participants in his survey claimed to have heard marginal "improvements" on some, but not all of the programme material offered. This could have resulted simply from the mildly euphonic effects of its unusual choice of filters appealing subjectively to certain listeners, just as some people "like" the non-linearity of all-valve amplifiers because the perceived "warmth" to the sound that they tend to produce makes for a more "musical" experience for them. I have used the quotes in the previous sentence quite deliberately because they relate to subjective matters that appeal to some listeners & decidedly not to others.

    So I think that it is entirely unreasonable to suggest that Archimago is promoting MQA as a technological breakthrough in any sense.

    It is all to easy to do nothing but offer destructive criticism & snide comments masquerading as humour, so I am delighted to spring to Archimago's defence in this case if, for whatever reason, he is unwilling further to debate the matter himself...

    Dave

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    Senior Member Wombat's Avatar
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    I guess you had everything interpretring my post wrong but it is nice you still enjoy making long posts...
    It simply means that he shouldn't loose grip to reality by all the praise he receives for the many hours he spends with his blog (and absolutely deserves!!!)

    Btw. Since so much of these listening reports over the last years seem to be triggered by 'the fear of ringing' i guess people with the right psychogram welcome to add the ache of 'phantom blur'.
    MQA offers the cure and many will believe in it no matter how shady the format is as others believe in femto clocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wombat View Post
    I guess you had everything interpretring my post wrong but it is nice you still enjoy making long posts...
    It simply means that he shouldn't loose grip to reality by all the praise he receives for the many hours he spends with his blog (and absolutely deserves!!!)

    Btw. Since so much of these listening reports over the last years seem to be triggered by 'the fear of ringing' i guess people with the right psychogram welcome to add the ache of 'phantom blur'.
    MQA offers the cure and many will believe in it no matter how shady the format is as others believe in femto clocks.
    Hi Wombat!

    If I've misinterpreted your post, then I apologise: however you must admit that you are cryptic at best!

    Just for the record I have no interest in MQA - since it is in essence a lossy codec I totally fail to see how it can faithfully reproduce the original recording it is encrypted from, let alone improve it.

    We have a terse English word for this kind of thing - bollocks!

    I trust that I have satisfied your preference for brevity this time at least...

    Dave

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    The main features are 1. proprietary ( license revenue ) 2. and lossy ( the record companies does not need to disclose a studio master ).

    Wonder if universal is going to embedd thier horrible watermark in a MQA file to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mnyb View Post
    The main features are 1. proprietary ( license revenue ) 2. and lossy ( the record companies does not need to disclose a studio master ).

    Wonder if universal is going to embedd thier horrible watermark in a MQA file to
    My gran told me , "Tell the truth & shame the Devil!".

    I'm up for that...

    Dave

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    Hi Dave,
    here in germany we have a saying to tease someone who did something great. Under friends we say as i translate: "Now you can call yourself Sir"
    Cheers!
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    Teasing

    Quote Originally Posted by Wombat View Post
    Hi Dave,
    here in germany we have a saying to tease someone who did something great. Under friends we say as i translate: "Now you can call yourself Sir"
    Cheers!
    Hi Wombat!

    I don't mind having my leg pulled.

    Unfortunately, people invariably choose the same leg, so these days I walk with a pronounced limp, L - I - M - P, limp...

    Dave

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