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    Thinking about making the move to Raspberry PI 3 - a few questions

    Been running on Windows PC's for eight years, but am having some WiFi issues with the current old PC - a refurb HP from Woot at least six years old. Old enough to need a PCi WiFi card. Rather than replacing it, I'm thinking of going the Raspberry PI route. Have read over some of the relevant threads over the last few days and am hoping someone more current can provide some advice.

    Looking at a kit with the RPi 3, case, power supply & heat sinks, but no fan. I'd like to hardwire this to the network, that means putting it in the same room as our home theater, so quiet/silent would be required.

    Current library is 110GB, 20K tracks, 2100 folders/albums.
    Players - 5 Receivers, 2 Radios and 1 Boom
    Favorite plug ins - Spotify, Pandora and TuneIn Radio

    It looks like the Spotify plug in has a doubtful future, so not critical if not available, but would like to have it as long as possible.

    Questions:

    Is heat a concern if I leave it on 24x7?

    Would it be possible to run everything, including the OS & library from a 200GB SD?

    Any other concerns based on my setup?

    Many thanks in advance!

    Jeff
    "You know, I'm all for progress. It's change I object to."
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    LMS 7.9 on Raspberry Pi3 w/200GB SD
    5 Receivers, 1 Boom, 2 Radios, 1 Controller, 1 iPhone & 1 iPad w/iPeng & Squeezebox Apps, 1 Android phone w/Squeezer

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    Hi there
    I've been using a hard wired Pi 3 without problem since the 3 came out (It replaced a Pi 2 which also worked well). It's silent and heat isn't a problem, even when asking it to do multiple things at once (e.g. stream differnt hi-res tracks to different players etc). You wouldn't want to sit it on top of a radiator but any sensible placement works well for me. Mine runs 24/7 and does BOINC calculations in the background when processors are free. I have a small 99p heat sink on mine but not really sure if it's necessary

    I Have OS & LMS running from the micro-SD with database, playlists & music on a connected USB drive set to scan in the middle of the night; so cannot really answer second question. Suggest you try it, it's not an expensive experiment to run.

    Jeremy
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    Lounge - Transporter with -10dB internal attenuation, P2 running Squeezelite, Linn LP12/Ekos/Troika, Naim NAC102, Linn Tunebox crossover, 4 x Naim NAP250 power amps, Linn Keltik active isobarik speakers
    Office - Squeezebox Boom
    Kitchen - Squeezebox Boom
    Sunroom - Squeezebox Boom
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    Thanks! Everything was delivered last night, burned the Max2Play image and hardwired it in, but can't connect. It's being assigned an IP address but won't respond to ping. Might be a firewall issue, will need to troubleshoot. More news later.
    "You know, I'm all for progress. It's change I object to."
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    LMS 7.9 on Raspberry Pi3 w/200GB SD
    5 Receivers, 1 Boom, 2 Radios, 1 Controller, 1 iPhone & 1 iPad w/iPeng & Squeezebox Apps, 1 Android phone w/Squeezer

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy View Post
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    I Have OS & LMS running from the micro-SD with database, playlists & music on a connected USB drive set to scan in the middle of the night; so cannot really answer second question. Suggest you try it, it's not an expensive experiment to run.

    Jeremy
    Not sure if it's a good idea to rescan routinely every night. Better to do it manually when you add new music or make other changes. Continually access and updating the underlying LMS database on the micro-SD card will shorten the SD card life significantly. Mico-SD cards tend to have a relatively short lifespan anyway.

    Unless I'm reading your post incorrectly...
    Keeping music and playlists on the USB drive is obvious because of drive capacity and portability. But... do you really keep all the LMS related databases on the attached USB drive and if so how is that done? I would be interested in doing that instead of keeping them all on the SD card.

    Bob
    1 x Touch
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    1 x Cubox-i4 Pro SoA
    1 X Odroid-XU4 as main server and player running LMS 7.9
    Lavry DA-10 DAC
    HP PC as secondary server running LMS 7.9
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobertuk View Post
    Not sure if it's a good idea to rescan routinely every night. Better to do it manually when you add new music or make other changes. Continually access and updating the underlying LMS database on the micro-SD card will shorten the SD card life significantly. Mico-SD cards tend to have a relatively short lifespan anyway.

    Unless I'm reading your post incorrectly...
    Keeping music and playlists on the USB drive is obvious because of drive capacity and portability. But... do you really keep all the LMS related databases on the attached USB drive and if so how is that done? I would be interested in doing that instead of keeping them all on the SD card.

    Bob
    Thanks Bob
    You make a good point about scanning, especially as I rarely add new music these days, I'll turn it off

    LMS & database are running from the SD card, the database isn't on the USB, sorry for confusion
    Jeremy
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    Lounge - Transporter with -10dB internal attenuation, P2 running Squeezelite, Linn LP12/Ekos/Troika, Naim NAC102, Linn Tunebox crossover, 4 x Naim NAP250 power amps, Linn Keltik active isobarik speakers
    Office - Squeezebox Boom
    Kitchen - Squeezebox Boom
    Sunroom - Squeezebox Boom
    Bedroom - Squeezebox Radio x2
    Dining Room - SB3 & small computer speakers
    No 2 daughter's room - Squeezebox Duet Receiver

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    Quick update - network resolved, streaming Spotify to three players - 1 boom and 2 receivers without any problems on a short 10 minute test. Seems more stable than my prior setup that wasn't hardwired to the network. Will start moving the library over tonight and see how that happens. Will take advice on the disabling nightly scans.
    "You know, I'm all for progress. It's change I object to."
    Mark Twain

    LMS 7.9 on Raspberry Pi3 w/200GB SD
    5 Receivers, 1 Boom, 2 Radios, 1 Controller, 1 iPhone & 1 iPad w/iPeng & Squeezebox Apps, 1 Android phone w/Squeezer

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobertuk View Post
    Not sure if it's a good idea to rescan routinely every night. Better to do it manually when you add new music or make other changes. Continually access and updating the underlying LMS database on the micro-SD card will shorten the SD card life significantly. Mico-SD cards tend to have a relatively short lifespan anyway.

    Unless I'm reading your post incorrectly...
    Keeping music and playlists on the USB drive is obvious because of drive capacity and portability. But... do you really keep all the LMS related databases on the attached USB drive and if so how is that done? I would be interested in doing that instead of keeping them all on the SD card.

    Bob
    This is easily done with piCoreplayer OS, I have LMS databases, cache and prefs on an attached USB stick. If anything goes wrong with the SD card, just burn a new image, a few setup tweaks, install LMS, and you're back in business, all player prefs, favorites, etc, just as they were before, don't even need to rescan the music library.
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    Set up seems to be stable, streaming Live Music Archives via vbr m3u is still broken p, either through the plugin or pasting the URL in the radio. Couldn't do that anymore on my prior setup, so no loss.

    Advantages - much less power consumption, able to stream Spotify to multiple players using Triode's plugin, was problematic on PC connected via WiFi. Zero moving parts & completely silent.

    Not really worried about the life of the SD card, not doing nightly scans, file system is mounted with noatime option. Temp averages 49C. CPU is at a whopping 0.08. Will keep PC for ripping & as a backup, but will be off 99.9% of the time.

    I think I've disabled BlueTooth and WiFi, the UI doesn't confirm AFAICT.

    Only outstanding problem is getting Max2Play SharePlay working.

    Total cost $133, plus $10 for Max2Play if I get SharePlay up. Biggest cost was SD card, went with a SanDisk low/mid-range SDXC rather than a generic off brand.

    Raspberry Pi 3 kit with 2 heat sinks, clear case & power supply
    SanDisk Ultra 200GB SD
    Max2Play
    LMS 7.9
    "You know, I'm all for progress. It's change I object to."
    Mark Twain

    LMS 7.9 on Raspberry Pi3 w/200GB SD
    5 Receivers, 1 Boom, 2 Radios, 1 Controller, 1 iPhone & 1 iPad w/iPeng & Squeezebox Apps, 1 Android phone w/Squeezer

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    I haven't tried Max2Play, but use piCorePlayer instead. Shairtunes works on that.

    Robert
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    Office: LMS7.9 running on WiFi MyPassport drive > piCorePlayer(PiB)/HiFiBerryDAC > Amptastic Amplifier
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    The pre-configured Pi OSes like these are pretty good at going more or less read-only on the SD cards anyway, so lifetime should be good.

    I might still have gone with an external NAS for the music though, or at least a usb spinning disk. SD cards are v slow compared to most other storage types.
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    Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums..

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