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    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    The Alexa app is probably better than Sonos have at the moment and is working well for me.

    I agree about the security risk without a VPN. I just use Spotify when travelling.

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    Yes, I realize voice control is still (overall) in infancy, and I very much respect the fellow that is working on Alexa integration with LMS. LMS is still pretty stable for me, but when my existing hardware starts dying (I'm thinking more of Radios, vs. Classics), it's tough for me to replace.

    I consider two levels of users at my house:
    1) Audio quality as #1 priority (I'm this user) - so Transporter and app control is critical. Apple Music integration would be a "very nice to have".
    2) Family users - Apple Music/Amazon Music/voice control is high priority, Bluetooth and/or AirPlay streaming (yes, I realize LMS has a plugin, but it never worked well for me), as well as "standalone" hardware that doesn't require an app to use, i.e. a Squeezebox Radio.

    ^^^ Over the past few years, it is obvious to me that LMS can really only offer beta-type support for user group #2 above, and the hardware options are limited. Plex seems more robust, and in active development. If I could switch over to Plex full-time for user #1, I could satisfy group #2 by getting Echo devices or try the Apple HomePod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by castalla View Post
    Given the severe limitations that voice control solutions impose at the moment, your best bet is to invest 90 usd on a new amazon echo for your wife and kids.
    I already have 6 (!) Echo Dots I don't mind the Amazon ecosystem, but my wife and I already pay for Apple Music, so I'd rather have better support for that.

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    Plex definatley has a better interface. I came here because I googled to see if LMS had a way of becoming a plex endpoint. Great for picoreplayer, but also great for e.g. squeezebox boom and the like. The LMS interface was made when people had only a few hundred albums and it just doesn't cut it any more. I have ipeng, but it so Gxx Dxxx fiddly! I don't like it much at all. Plex is better (probably best in terms of free systems, but also a little fiddly at times). Best I've had is Roon but that's expensive. It does integrate with LMS out of the box though which is nice.

    Given all the LMS code is open sourced, it's certainly possible someone can make an LMS plugin for Plex. That's essentially what Roon did and it's remarkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshalleq View Post
    Given all the LMS code is open sourced, it's certainly possible someone can make an LMS plugin for Plex.
    Plex uses DLNA to move music around. There is a plugin for LMS that is said to convert Squeezebox hardware to DLNA renderers. I've not tried it, but here you go:
    http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...om-DLNA-to-LMS

    Quote Originally Posted by marshalleq View Post
    The LMS interface was made when people had only a few hundred albums and it just doesn't cut it any more.
    For you perhaps, but I have over 5,000 albums managed just fine in LMS. There are others on this forum who have multiples of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshalleq View Post
    Plex definatley has a better interface.
    PLEX only has a better interface for Video!

    Quote Originally Posted by marshalleq View Post
    The LMS interface was made when people had only a few hundred albums and it just doesn't cut it any more.
    Completely WRONG! I have been around for over a decade and when I started with Slim Devices had thousands of CDs. I now have just over 23,000 CDs ripped to FLAC and it would probably take PLEX a few years to scan them all! I had been using my Touch at a portable location using Tiny LMS and a 2 TB USB Drive with some of my favorite songs on it and PLEX started scanning it when I got home and reconnected to the network and it took forever to scan just that 2TB drive of FLAC files. I have PLEX on my server and use it for video, not music. IMHO, LMS is the ONLY music server software for large music collections. Can't use Sonos, will not handle that large a library. PLEX can't deal with that many songs to scan.
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    I generally use LMS for music and Plex for video material but I have and do use Plex for certain music applications; A number of personal observations:

    People making comparisons between the scanners have simply not set things up right in the first place. On the same hardware looking at the same file and setting Plex up to use the basic (NOT premium) music library with "use embedded tags" results in much the same time as an LMS "clear library and scan". Similarly for re-scans.

    Gapless playback is very limited and mostly to externally maintained clients. It's not a server deficiency but a client one and the Plex development of music features in clients is pretty poor.

    The metadata handling of compilations / VA albums is horrible and primitive and seems random. It ignores the COMPLILATION tag on all formats completely and instead uses the heuristic of checking the ARTISTS tags to see how many there are. My non-scientific estimate is if it finds about 10% of the tracks from the same artist it puts it under their name. ALBUM ARTIST, while supported, is poorly handled.

    On the other hand the standard interface is much better. Sync support is excellent to mobile devices. It's slick.

    LMS wins as a nerd's music infrastructure, Plex wins as a consumer facing system.

    I have ignored the unavailability of simple (to install and maintain) LMS client hardware and software.

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    Having said all that I am also running Emby - which is much slower on scanning music, and I've never actually used it to play music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Galbavy View Post
    I generally use LMS for music and Plex for video material but I have and do use Plex for certain music applications; A number of personal observations:

    People making comparisons between the scanners have simply not set things up right in the first place. On the same hardware looking at the same file and setting Plex up to use the basic (NOT premium) music library with "use embedded tags" results in much the same time as an LMS "clear library and scan". Similarly for re-scans.

    Gapless playback is very limited and mostly to externally maintained clients. It's not a server deficiency but a client one and the Plex development of music features in clients is pretty poor.

    The metadata handling of compilations / VA albums is horrible and primitive and seems random. It ignores the COMPLILATION tag on all formats completely and instead uses the heuristic of checking the ARTISTS tags to see how many there are. My non-scientific estimate is if it finds about 10% of the tracks from the same artist it puts it under their name. ALBUM ARTIST, while supported, is poorly handled.

    On the other hand the standard interface is much better. Sync support is excellent to mobile devices. It's slick.

    LMS wins as a nerd's music infrastructure, Plex wins as a consumer facing system.

    I have ignored the unavailability of simple (to install and maintain) LMS client hardware and software.
    I think this is a very fair assessment. I too use LMS for music and Plex for video but do allow Plex to scan my music also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Galbavy View Post
    I generally use LMS for music and Plex for video material but I have and do use Plex for certain music applications; A number of personal observations:

    People making comparisons between the scanners have simply not set things up right in the first place. On the same hardware looking at the same file and setting Plex up to use the basic (NOT premium) music library with "use embedded tags" results in much the same time as an LMS "clear library and scan". Similarly for re-scans.

    Gapless playback is very limited and mostly to externally maintained clients. It's not a server deficiency but a client one and the Plex development of music features in clients is pretty poor.

    The metadata handling of compilations / VA albums is horrible and primitive and seems random. It ignores the COMPLILATION tag on all formats completely and instead uses the heuristic of checking the ARTISTS tags to see how many there are. My non-scientific estimate is if it finds about 10% of the tracks from the same artist it puts it under their name. ALBUM ARTIST, while supported, is poorly handled.

    On the other hand the standard interface is much better. Sync support is excellent to mobile devices. It's slick.

    LMS wins as a nerd's music infrastructure, Plex wins as a consumer facing system.

    I have ignored the unavailability of simple (to install and maintain) LMS client hardware and software.

    If I could find a decent audio client for Plex, I'd consider moving away from LMS. Especially if it supported multi-channel audio.

    Quote Originally Posted by d6jg View Post
    I think this is a very fair assessment. I too use LMS for music and Plex for video but do allow Plex to scan my music also.
    Yep, same here.

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    I'm going to be VERY generous here. Plex is at least 10 years (of full-time development) behind LMS. Again, that's being VERY generous. I'm not holding my breath for Plex to have caught up in 10 years. I let it scan my music library, but playback is almost exclusively via LMS with iPeng as a controller - I can render/play the music on almost every device throughout my home, plus portables (Squeeeboxes, iPhones, iPads, AndroidTV, AppleTV, AVR/AVP, etc.)

    A regular consumer can't and won't set up a Plex server. Let's not kid ourselves here. I support a lot of family and friends for IT and media expertise. None of them are stupid, but none of them could even begin to wrap their heads around setting up Plex properly, especially for use with music.
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