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    Quote Originally Posted by JJZolx View Post
    The point you can't seem to get through your head is that people are past caring about you.....
    No, I get that. I can't not get it. You and others, (by their words and actions), have made that crystal clear!

    Quote Originally Posted by mherger View Post
    I think your best bet to let this topic pass away is to no longer post about it. It's like telling a troll to stop trolling. He'll always have the last word. Only when you ignore him he'll stop.
    Thank you for the advice, Michael.

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    To me, the sad thing is that I wonder how many other potential third party projects or contributors are deterred by the mystery and uncertainty of all this. I suspect that the truth about all of this is much more mundane and narrowly defined than most people suspect. Without knowing that for sure, though, any future third party projects may be slowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Miksis View Post
    To me, the sad thing is that I wonder how many other potential third party projects or contributors are deterred by the mystery and uncertainty of all this. I suspect that the truth about all of this is much more mundane and narrowly defined than most people suspect. Without knowing that for sure, though, any future third party projects may be slowed.
    I've dealt with this many times in many 25-years in senior positions for a couple of the worlds top computer companies. There really is nothing to be gained by speculating further here, the best thing is for those that want to pursue something real and related to the product owned by Logitech, is to contact them through their licensing, partner or legal team.

    One project, an emulator of a specific piece of equipment, survives to this day 20-years later exactly because once the escalation and war of words started, it was clearly best for everyone to withdraw from public debate and settle the disagreement privately. As a result, a book I co-wrote had to be recalled, and a second issue published without an entire chapter. It was an interesting and stressful example of backdown tactics.

    All the facebooks, twitters, fora, an interweb comments in the world won't solve this. There are potentially any number of legal issues to overcome before building a device capable of providing the same services as a Logitech Squeezebox, including copyright, trademark, patents etc.

    Anyone involved in the original creation of the software and hardware products and services around these products can be subject to any number of restrictions. While we can speculate, if there are indeed legal holds in place in relation to discussion, any one that knows risks serious penalties if they give any real direction or answers.

    Continuing to push for disclosure will likely end in "if want something really bad, thats how you get it, really bad" category....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Miksis View Post
    To me, the sad thing is that I wonder how many other potential third party projects or contributors are deterred by the mystery and uncertainty of all this. I suspect that the truth about all of this is much more mundane and narrowly defined than most people suspect. Without knowing that for sure, though, any future third party projects may be slowed.
    It has made me more careful of what I post in some threads in the forum. Mainly because I want to ensure to not make the legal problems worse for the people involved by saying something that make them violate a NDA they might have signed just because they are frustrated.

    I think the important lesson for anyone that want to release a hardware product/DIY-kit in the future is to make sure to do it through a company instead of an unofficial community group or individual. Also, make sure to use a name and thread that isn't closely related to the old dead project.

    I'm reasonably sure that Logitech isn't involved in any legal action related to the old dead project, so don't consider Logitech to be the bad guy regarding all this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by erland View Post
    I think the important lesson for anyone that want to release a hardware product/DIY-kit in the future is to make sure to do it through a company instead of an unofficial community group or individual. Also, make sure to use a name and thread that isn't closely related to the old dead project.

    I'm reasonably sure that Logitech isn't involved in any legal action related to the old dead project, so don't consider Logitech to be the bad guy regarding all this.
    More assumptions and speculation, just like those voiced by the previous poster.

    How can you know "the important lesson" unless you know the issues that were (or weren't) dealt with? If you don't think Logitech was involved, then why would you think the name was an issue? That makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJZolx View Post
    More assumptions and speculation, just like those voiced by the previous poster.

    How can you know "the important lesson" unless you know the issues that were (or weren't) dealt with? If you don't think Logitech was involved, then why would you think the name was an issue? That makes no sense.
    Common man, just let it go.
    The people involved who have asked to drop this discussion will have a very good reason. To continue nagging about it will not help and for sure you want get any further answers due to the reasons already mentioned several times by those involved.
    Move on and let it rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascal Hibon View Post
    Common man, just let it go.
    The people involved who have asked to drop this discussion will have a very good reason. To continue nagging about it will not help and for sure you want get any further answers due to the reasons already mentioned several times by those involved.
    Move on and let it rest.
    I'm not nagging anyone. I'd just like to think that the idea of a community Squeezebox player is still possible. And if not, I'd like to know why not. Speculative or not.

    I don't give a damn if the guy with the supposed legal issues never posts again in these forums. That's his decision, but the "don't talk about it" angle is pure bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erland View Post

    I'm reasonably sure that Logitech isn't involved in any legal action related to the old dead project, so don't consider Logitech to be the bad guy regarding all this.


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    Absent any actual information, one can only speculate. But if Logitech was not involved, then it would seem to be good PR for them to say so on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJZolx View Post
    I'd just like to think that the idea of a community Squeezebox player is still possible. And if not, I'd like to know why not. Speculative or not.
    A community based Squeezebox player is possible but it needs to be organized under a company or some individual needs to be prepare to risk legal actions as an individual (not recommended). We should respect the wishes of the leaders of the previous now dead project and make sure to use new threads and new project name for any new effort.

    If anyone wants to do something and think they have the necessary skills, please send me a mail or PM and we can see if there is a potential to organize something. I don't want any mail/PM from people who just want the final product but doesn't have the necessary technical skills to do the work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guidof View Post
    Absent any actual information, one can only speculate. But if Logitech was not involved, then it would seem to be good PR for them to say so on this forum.
    This is a community forum, there have never been much official posts from Logitech here, the most official posts you will see are those from mherger, who has already said that he don't think Logitech is involved.

    If you want me to speculate, the reason to not use the name of the old dead project is just to avoid further legal actions towards the previous members of that project, but this is just speculation.
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