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DrNic
2008-01-21, 03:02
Hi all,
before laying my cash on the line, just wanted to glean the learned opinon of the Slimdevices Fora!
I am building a new home server - there are some very specific things it *must* be:
1) Rack mountable
2) Fanless - and I mean completely not even a PSU fan!
3) Running Linux
4) Not a NAS device - I use it for other stuff too (eg home automation/web server)

So I have been looking around and like the idea of the self build yet again - those "Hush" PC's can fit the bill, but the cost is astronomical!
I have found this little Mini-ITX board: http://www.icp-epia.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=88

it uses this processor: 1.2GHz Fanless VIA C7 nanoBGA2 Processor

I will load it up with the max (1gig) of RAM.
Will SC7 laugh at the spec??
All thoughts welcome!

Thanks,
Nic

smc2911
2008-01-21, 03:04
I think you'll be laughing: it should run fine. You might find that the initial scanning of your music library will be slower than on on a higher spec machine, but once that's done I think you'll be good to go.

mherger
2008-01-21, 03:22
> it uses this processor: 1.2GHz Fanless VIA C7 nanoBGA2 Processor

I'm using a 1GHz Version of the C3. It's running SC7 very fine.

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Michael

Patrick Dixon
2008-01-21, 03:29
If you want it really quiet, you'll probably need to go for 2.5" HDs too - I've found the 3.5" ones are generally too noisy in a fanless system.

DrNic
2008-01-21, 03:38
Thanks guys!
Also cheers for the warning on the 3.5" drives Patrick, I have a few "spare" 3.5" drives so will try those first - if no joy then may have to try your suggestion...

TC

Nic

dem
2008-01-21, 05:22
I have found this little Mini-ITX board: http://www.icp-epia.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=88

it uses this processor: 1.2GHz Fanless VIA C7 nanoBGA2 Processor

I will load it up with the max (1gig) of RAM.
Will SC7 laugh at the spec??

I'm using that exact board with 1 GB RAM to run SC7, and it performs adequately. I also use it as a NAS with a hardware RAID controller.

While testing early releases of SC7 I left SS6 alone on the VIA and ran SC7 on a Mac mini with a 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo. As you would expect it was much much faster, even accessing the music files on the VIA NAS over the network.

I've since upgraded the VIA box to SC7 but I do miss the speed of the mini.

DrNic
2008-01-21, 11:16
I'm using that exact board with 1 GB RAM to run SC7, and it performs adequately. I also use it as a NAS with a hardware RAID controller.

While testing early releases of SC7 I left SS6 alone on the VIA and ran SC7 on a Mac mini with a 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo. As you would expect it was much much faster, even accessing the music files on the VIA NAS over the network.

I've since upgraded the VIA box to SC7 but I do miss the speed of the mini.

Interesting, Dave. Thanks!

Does this lack of speed relate to using the web browser or the SB3 interface itself? I'm not too bothered about the web interface as this is something I rarely use.

Nic

dem
2008-01-21, 12:28
Does this lack of speed relate to using the web browser or the SB3 interface itself? I'm not too bothered about the web interface as this is something I rarely use.

Yes, that's where I notice it most. Rescans take maybe 4 times longer, too.

DrNic
2008-01-21, 13:53
Yes, that's where I notice it most. Rescans take maybe 4 times longer, too.

May I ask one last thing Dave?
You running Winblows or Linux on the server?

Thanks again

Nic

dem
2008-01-21, 14:00
May I ask one last thing Dave?
You running Winblows or Linux on the server?

Linux, Fedora Core 5.

peter
2008-01-21, 14:43
DrNic wrote:
> it *must* be:
> 1) Rack mountable
> 2) Fanless - and I mean completely not even a PSU fan!
>

Rack mounted usually means it sucks like a vacuum cleaner. ;)

X.

pfarrell
2008-01-21, 14:46
Peter wrote:
> DrNic wrote:
>> it *must* be:
>> 1) Rack mountable
>> 2) Fanless - and I mean completely not even a PSU fan!
>
> Rack mounted usually means it sucks like a vacuum cleaner. ;)

Or a jet at takeoff. Plus they usually draw 10 amps.

Rack mount computers are designed to go into co-location centers, which
are cold, dark and noisey.



--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

DrNic
2008-01-21, 16:46
Peter wrote:
> DrNic wrote:
>> it *must* be:
>> 1) Rack mountable
>> 2) Fanless - and I mean completely not even a PSU fan!
>
> Rack mounted usually means it sucks like a vacuum cleaner. ;)

Or a jet at takeoff. Plus they usually draw 10 amps.

Rack mount computers are designed to go into co-location centers, which
are cold, dark and noisey.



--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

Sorry guys, but you are slightly off the mark there...!
The link provided in my OP is one of many places that can supply *silent* rack mount cases (ie they have an AC-DC converter that is fanless), the motherboard stated is also fanless. The only noise generating part will be the hard-drives - and I will mount these in acoustic frames. They also can idle at around 14 Watts. Neither the jet nor power hungry beasts we all know exist.

Pat's experience is no doubt drawn from his very apparent expertise (nice web site BTW Pat!) in the electronics industry - but I fear this might not include noise critical environment deployment experience!!
In the medical field, we have been taken over as expected by computers, and my passive/active IR navigation systems run silent - save for the drives!!

Thanks for all the info peeps!!!

Nic

pfarrell
2008-01-21, 16:54
DrNic wrote:
> fanless), the motherboard stated is also fanless. The only noise
> generating part will be the hard-drives

The hot trick these days is solid state drives. They have no moving
parts and are dead silent. Plus they are much more green.

Sadly, they cost much more green too.


> Pat's experience is no doubt drawn from his very apparent expertise
> in the electronics industry - but I fear this might not include noise critical

For sure. co-lo sites have critical power, network and physical
security. But they are not friendly places for humans.

Pat
--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

DrNic
2008-01-21, 17:04
But they are not friendly places for humans.


The drive for silence is based on the necessity to place the server under our stairs - having recently wired the house (CAT6), the old position in the study doesn't quite fit in with the grand scheme of things!!

As for surgical nav systems- I know many fellow cutters who feel they are not friendly places for humans either!! LOL

TC

Nic

JJZolx
2008-01-21, 17:42
Why the need for a rackmount chassis? I would assume you're not planning on placing it in rack or cabinet unless you have other rackmount equipment.

I'd be leery of building a computer in a rackmount chassis with no fans. Even if the PSU and the CPU can get by, the hard drive may not. Cram it all into a tiny space and you're asking for heat related problems. I've seen some rackmount chassis that were fanless, but they're generally intended for building things like routers and firewalls with either solid state drives or very little disk activity.

DrNic
2008-01-22, 02:44
Why the need for a rackmount chassis? I would assume you're not planning on placing it in rack or cabinet unless you have other rackmount equipment.

I'd be leery of building a computer in a rackmount chassis with no fans. Even if the PSU and the CPU can get by, the hard drive may not. Cram it all into a tiny space and you're asking for heat related problems. I've seen some rackmount chassis that were fanless, but they're generally intended for building things like routers and firewalls with either solid state drives or very little disk activity.

It was partly down to the WAF - I'm afraid. Putting the equipment under the stairs meant no large boxes and no noise (at all). Secondly I have a rack system (home build), that also has to accomodate a 16 port switch, 16 port patch panel, and digital home security system all of which is rack mounted. So it kind of made sense you see.

The area is well vented - and I have allowed for a half U space between each component. Though I appreciate the worry of heat issues, I don't think I will have too much cause for concern, there is little intensive disk activity going on with the current server (a Small Form Factor PC - Shuttle). Of course I will let you all know when the system packs in because of heat, so you can gloat!!! :)

TC

Nic

markab
2008-01-22, 13:39
I would go for the new VIA SN10000EG board....

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=550


2 network ports (1 of those gigabit), 4 sata II ports, built in CF slot (for embedded linux fun:), mini pci and a pci-e slot.... fan-less as well.

I currently run freeNas and SC7 on a CN10000EG board but I am going to upgrade as I need to add more storage, 4 sata II ports on a mini ITX are killer!!

Mark

JJZolx
2008-01-23, 12:54
Of course I will let you all know when the system packs in because of heat

If heat becomes an issue, packing it in is only one potential outcome. The system is more likely to act just a litle odd without explanation, or become completly unstable, well before any of the components fail completely. Good luck with it, though.