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JohnSwenson
2006-07-20, 21:31
I've started a series of measurements to see if I can measure any differences between a stock SB3 with the stock switcher and my DIY linear supply. I have a some preliminary results.

First off a little about the supply, its has a hefty triad transformer, high current Schottky diodes and a CLC filter that has been carefully tuned so it has a fast response but does not ring when presented with a current change. I have found that such supplies sound the best. The filter is followed by a LT1084 regulator.

The measurements were performed with a spectrum analyzer looking at the analog outs while playing a 440Hz tone at -3dbFS with the SB volume at full.

There were three differences I could see
1: the 3rd harmonic was 2.5 db lower with the linear supply.
2: the noise floor was slightly lower with the linear supply.
3: occasionally a "spike" would show up with the stock supply.

#3 takes some explanation. The spectrum analyzer works by slowly sweping through the frequency spectrum with a certain "filter" bandwidth, this shows up a vertical trace with a "skirt" that sort of looks like a cone. These spikes had no skirt, they are straight lines. This can only come from a transient phenomenum. The pikes did not always occur, and when they did they were at different frquencies. This leads me to belive they are really noise bursts rather than a continuous frequency.

Now comes the fun part, what causes these effects? #2 and #3 seem like they could be line noise making its way through the PS, the linear supply does a better job of filtering out junk on the line. This doesn't explain #1. The only thing that makes sense to me is that the switcher has more "signal modulation", its voltage varies with the audio signal being outputted, this could cause some sight increase in the distortion. To test this I'm going to so some measurements of the supply voltage itself and see if there is any difference in regulation.

Next comes measurements of jitter with the different supplies, I'l post that in a day or two.

John S.

ezkcdude
2006-07-20, 22:15
Interesting. Keep up the good work.

tyler_durden
2006-07-21, 09:23
2.5 dB lower but at what absolute level?

How are these measurements being made?

Are the powersupply measurements being made at the same time, or are the switching supply measurements made at a different time than the linear supply measurements? Are you monitoring the AC line input while the measurements are made to determine if "noise" seen in the audio is power line noise or comes from within the SB?

Thanks,

TD

ezkcdude
2006-07-21, 09:43
John, I recently DIY'ed my own PSU (dual output), and am thinking about hooking it up to my SB3. I've already made the PCB's, and built one of them using LM317/337. Do you think LT1084 is a better regulator? What is your recommendation. I want to build a "reference" version for myself, and am wondering about components. I was looking at a Hammond transformer. How does the Triad compare? If you're interested, I've put together a web page for my PSU:

http://www.cellandtissue.com/diy.html

Havoc
2006-07-21, 11:51
I would like to see how you take off the measurement. Measuring psu's isn't simple.

JohnSwenson
2006-07-21, 17:06
2.5 dB lower but at what absolute level?

How are these measurements being made?


TD


I'm using an HP 3585A spectrum analyzer (my new toy). The only harmonics visible were 2nd and 3rd, at about 87db down for 2nd and slightly higher for 3rd with the stock PS. With the linear supply the 3rd was 2.5db lower but the second stayed the same.

I was only using one supply at a time, the supply not being used was unplugged.

I was not testing the line input at the same time, thats a much tougher thing to do. You need a broadband isolation transformer for that, a toroidal power transformer would probably make a stab at it.

The spikes COULD have come from the SB, but I never saw then with the linear supply and did see them every so often with the switching supply. I repeated the test several times, its kind of unlikely that the SB was doing something that generated spikes when the switcher was plugged in but stopped doing so when the linear was plugged in, and repeated that several times. Unlikely but not impossible. Thats why I was tending to think it was something on the AC line getting through one supply and not the other.

John S.

sopiblack
2006-08-01, 12:38
Hi what is the maximum input dc voltage for sqb.3. I have tried whit a lt 1085 with a output dc voltage 5,02 vl. dc now i vill try 5,3 v. dc because it vill not function

JohnSwenson
2006-08-01, 15:01
Hi what is the maximum input dc voltage for sqb.3. I have tried whit a lt 1085 with a output dc voltage 5,02 vl. dc now i vill try 5,3 v. dc because it vill not function

I don't know the answer to that, but I would not go much above 5V. You could easily fry something if you go much over 5V.

John S.

sopiblack
2006-08-02, 02:25
The ordinary powersupply, when i mesaure with the power connected is 5,15 volt dc, so therefore i will try vith ca.5,03 volt dc. How much dc voltage output is on your powersupply.

Skunk
2006-08-02, 05:16
How much dc voltage output is on your powersupply.

My linear power supply has a pot for fine tuning output voltage. It's dialed in to 5.0 Volts and the SB3 works fine.

sopiblack
2006-08-02, 09:24
Hi can you send me a diagram. My email is: sopi@mail.tele .dk